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http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120821/drafting-women

I actually really don't know how I feel about this article.

I want to side with the writer, but I'm not sure if it's a bit double-standard-y.

Equality means taking the bad with the good. You can't just go, "I only want to be equal when it benefits me."

I disagree. I think given the social inequalities women face, not accepting additional burdens is a perfectly acceptable route to equality. When all the shit facing women is in the past, then women can look at taking on some more burdens, until then equality does not and should not mean further disadvantaging women.

You'll never get rid of harmful stereotypes if the second women might have to do something they don't want to, the fallback argument is "oooh nooo you can't expect us weak, fragile little women to do this terrible hard thing".

"However, if I had sons, I could at least take comfort in knowing that our nation's young men are the most able-bodied people to take on this task and therefore most likely to return home to us safely...but the number of women who feel physically and emotionally capable of taking on that role are the exception and not the rule."

Does she think boys are just killing machines?? Does she know nothing about the high rates of PTSD that veterans suffer from because they are not adequately prepared. Does she think that women are incapable of processing and passing the same training that men are subject to in basic??

Jeez, this writer makes women sound like wilting flowers incapable of doing anything scary.

Edited 2016-07-09 23:41 (UTC)

Undue concern for women leads to contempt for them fam.

I think the best argument for the draft is as a mechanism for ensuring that the costs of war are born by the whole population equally. It is, in other words, a basically political thing. It is a democratic principle that if we're going to fight a war, we ought to be really damn sure about it as a nation. The draft helps assure that. And that's not really a question of fighting ability, even if you accept the argument that women are immeasurably worse at it.

A few years ago, I went to a lecture given on Conscientious Objectors by two men who had been COs during the Vietnam War. At the Q&A afterwards, someone asked them about a draft being implemented for the wars in the Middle East or the War on Terror. They made a good case for there never being another draft, first and foremost because the majority of the people in Congress today were never drafted into combat or served in the military, and they don't come from the WWII generation of men who were drafted into a war which they won. Anybody who was anybody in politics (generally speaking, ofc) in the years after WWII were veterans and were proud of their service. Not only our culture as a whole but the culture of politicians is different now and is very unlikely to see implementing a draft as a good idea.

That makes sense to me, so I see the question of drafting women as a moot point.

Personally, I'm opposed to the draft for men, too. I think conscription into military service during wartime is barbaric (I think war is barbaric, as well), and the world would be better suited if everyone was a Conscientious Objector and refused to fight.

This woman is a sexist moron.

Men who are scared, don't feel they can do it, and aren't as strong as the average man are forced to sign up for the draft as it stands now. Why should women who feel like that get to plead out of that responsibility?

"Oh but we can not want women to be equal in terms of military responsibility and still support women who choose to be in the armed forces."

No you can't. Choice feminism at it's fucking finest. "~Oh we're too scared and frail~" is exactly the stereotype women who fight for full participation in the military have to contend with. Doubling down on it, supporting it utterly, is by definition not supporting those women - in fact, it's standing against them.

Your daughters' lives are not more important than someone else's son's. Their frailty is not more important than his frailty. Their fear is not more important than his fear. If you want men to die for you, and would not do the same for them, you are not a feminist. You do not believe in the equality of the sexes, in rights or in dignity. Get out.

This is an A+ comment. Well said.

I don't think there should be a draft, but if we have one, it should include women as well as men.

(Cis woman veteran, btw.)

Cis woman who has never served.

This exactly.

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