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(Anonymous) 2016-07-12 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Would it be worse if you took out Cap's time jump and Sharon was Peggy's sister he got with after Peggy died or something?
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2016-07-12 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure. I think sister is still sort of, odd? Like say your girlfriend died of cancer and you got with her sister right after? Still doesn't sound like a ship I'd like, tbh. (In real life, obviously these things can happen, but I can't say I'm a fan). Hell, I even found it a bit weird when my godmother's partner got together with her best friend not long after her death, cause it did feel like a replacement.

Mostly the thing in the MCU is that they snog -right- after Peggy's death, right after he finds out who she really is, and that sort of makes it skeevier to me (I'm more okay with he comics incarnation, though I still think the ship is bland AF).

(Anonymous) 2016-07-12 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I looked at it as Steve and Sharon sort of building up to something for a long time, and Peggy...well, I think after all the time lost between them for Steve it might be more like always loving her, but not really being IN LOVE with her, which makes the Sharon stuff...less...skeevy...to me?
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2016-07-12 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
See, but again, I didn't quite see that on actual film?

I can see he's no longer in love with Peggy, but does love her (though, time for him IS) shorter. Then again, the way he looks at her would make me think otherwise, but I realize that is interpretation.


But ultimately I don't really see the Sharon buildup (it's there, but it feels forced, hell Natasha would make more sense to me at this point, though I'm glad they kept it platonic;)

We see she's his neighbor who he thinks is cute, sure - but then, her whole being there is ALSO setup by Fury, which also makes it sort of based-on-a-lie for me.

I dunno, unless they do something amazing, I just don't think I can get into MCU Staron. It just has too many "nopes" for me.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-12 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Building up? He didn't even know who she really was until Peggy's funeral.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-12 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for reminding me! I completely forgot that the whole of a person can be reduced to who their relatives are.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, it's not like that might be important to Steve and considering everything he might have issues with people lying to him and deceiving him for his own good or anything.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
When Steve starts crying in his beer because "people lie to meeee!" I'll be more concerned about his potential feelings on that matter.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
That happens off screen. So you should have no problem with is existing.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh but anon, it only counts when it comes to Steve/Sharon! Him possibly feeling too betrayed by her doesn't count because... I guess anon's reasoning is that because we see an onscreen kiss it means everything is magically fine?

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
It's called using what's onscreen to support likely scenarios offscreen. But nice attempt at being flippant and dismissive over things you don't comprehend. With a little more practice you might be able to make a carer out of being an internet asshole.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-15 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
He spent the entirety of CATWS learning to trust Natasha again after she kept tyings from him during the Lemurian Star mission. He was even preoccupied about whether Peggy was in on Sharon's "neighbor" lie during the lobby scene in this movie. Canonicallly he does seem to have issues with the people he cares about hiding things/being dishonest with him.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
How can someone build up to a relationship when one person knows almost nothing about a person?????? Especially that person who spent 90% of the time LYING to the other person?

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
*shrug* I guess I don't have a problem believing things happen offscreen to help bridge the gap between two points nor do I believe EVERYTHING Sharon ever said to Steve was a lie just because of the things we know that were or because she omitted her lineage.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Speaking from personal experience, once it comes out someone lied about big things like Sharon did*? It doesn't matter if everything else she said was true, because you're always going to have that lingering doubt of "did she lie about that too? Is she lying this time?" And considering what Steve went through... yeah, I'm having a hard time buying that kiss.

*downplay it all you want, but her being Peggy's niece IS a big thing.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
To you.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-15 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
Even if we put her connection to Peggy aside they never had a sincere exchange while she was lying to him about her identity. She lied him about who she was, her profession, and this went on for an extended period of time. Months, maybe more.

She spied on him, lied to him, and given that SHIELD had his apartment tapped, probably listened/saw very private things without Steve's consent.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-12 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
You "look at it" that way but the movies didn't actually show it to us at all

I genuinely admire you and OPs ability to do the work of enjoying the thing when the canon doesn't bother but I can't do it myself

I love Sharon to pieces for the little glimpses we get of her but from Steve's POV we go straight from him being pissed at her for lying&spying in WS to 'thanks for all the plot convenient assists with no personal talk at all, smooch' in CW

(I don't blame Sharon for doing her job, but given that Steve's trust in almost everything around him gets fucked sideways in WS, I'm not surprised that he felt a little burned. nieghbor. And I'm not surprised that he eventually forgave her, but....we didn't get to see any of that process. Just boom, here we are.)

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
+1, I was super looking forward to seeing more Sharon and up to this scene we were getting more - the great speech at the funeral, working with the team on the bombing, and then there was "thanks, kiss, bye" and we never saw her again.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
Well that's the great thing about interpretations. We don't all have to see the same thing in the given material.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with all of this.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-13 01:46 pm (UTC)(link)
+100, and I'm rolling my eyes at the anon going "but interpretation!" Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem imagining things happened off-screen to get from point A to point B... but if it ends at points L or 15 then yes, I will need some showing of that road.

Not all interpretations are equal, especially not when all you have it "but it could've happened!"
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