[ SECRET POST #3481 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #3481 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[person of interest]


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[Red/Red 2]


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[Evoland 2]


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07. [SPOILERS for Oxenfree]
[WARNING for suicide]



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08. [WARNING for real people death?]

[French politics]


















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Comments

Re: TW: discussion of possibly triggery themes in fic?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, that's partly it, but I think it's also that fanfic is a reaction to canon, and fanfic authors are uncomfortable writing fic that's too similar - even superficially too similar - to the male-gaze-y, exploitative violence that is common in a lot of canon works (and even when the violence isn't male-gaze-y and exploitative, it still feels sexist simply because there's so little of that no-holds-barred, emotional, broken-down type of violence against male characters, especially heroic male characters.)

Even though dark/violent and h/c male slashfic can subject male characters to this while also being sympathetic and well-characterized and retain the reader's respect for the character, I feel like people have some sort of unconscious instinctive reaction that if a female character is subjected to this kind of violence, she automatically, magically becomes a sex object and your story becomes misogynistic (because it has some superficial similarities to the misogynistic torture fanservice that's splattered all over mainstream media), no matter how well-characterized and sympathetic the female character is. And people don't even BOTHER to try to do it properly and Make It A Thing.

I understand it, but it's just super frustrating and winds up treating female characters as fragile -- not "character" in the sense of a person who happens to be fictional, like "this fictional human being is fragile", but "character" in the sense of an element of a piece of writing - a "this fictional character is a precarious piece of writing and cannot possibly retain my readers' respect and interest if I let X happen to her."

Re: TW: discussion of possibly triggery themes in fic?

[ariakas]

I guess, but I still see female victim-hood in het fics. A lot. Especially in more heavily male-dominated fandoms. Nobody seems to worry that they've become a sex object (even when they... honestly kind of have). Plus there's such a history of female victimization that even if she is well-characterized and decidedly not a sex object you run the risk of using some other tired trope, like the rape avenger or what have you.

I'm not sure slash fandom's avoidance of female victimization out of fear of perpetuating stereotypes (and thus potentially reinforcing the notion that they're "fragile") is inherently inferior to het or canon's eagerness to have them play the victim's role and avoidance of male victimization, though.