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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-07-18 07:25 pm

[ SECRET POST #3484 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3484 ⌋

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Re: let it all out

(Anonymous) 2016-07-19 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I'd like to think it's not a thorough rejection, because in theory I agree with the basic principle that women should not be afraid or ashamed of their own sexuality, and so many people have tried to convince me that that basic principle is what sex-positivity is fundamentally about.

I think it is possible to be critical of topics relating to sexuality WITHOUT creating an environment where women feel like they shouldn't be sexual at all, but that doesn't seem to be what most sex-positive feminists want. They don't want to be critical of anything, ever.

Re: let it all out

(Anonymous) 2016-07-19 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
Your point of view seems to be that women shouldn't be afraid or ashamed of their own sexuality, but that more or less all expressions of sexuality in contemporary society are irrevocably tainted by patriarchy and intrinsically oppressive to women, and therefore those can't provide the means or the structure for empowering/positive sexuality, and they can't provide a structure within which women can be coherently said to have agency.

So, for instance, sex work is basically an irretrievably patriarchal institution, and lipstick and heels are necessarily not empowering because of their roots in sexist culture and expectations, and so on.

Whereas it seems to me that the root of sex-positivity is in trying to reclaim those structures as much as possible, and trying to come to terms with the fact that all of us are born into, conditioned by, and living in a society that remains pretty patriarchal, and trying to build as many spaces and trying to reclaim as much agency for women within that society using its actual structures, and to try to reclaim the idea of agency generally as against social conditioning. Which is definitely much more in line with my own approach, personally.

(I do agree, fwiw, that your points about friendzoning and monosexual privilege have a lot of validity)