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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-07-21 06:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3487 ]


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(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, the Klingons are partly an alien culture, and partly a parody of toxic machismo in the actual culture of the writers. So depending on which episodes you saw, you might think showing them is a good start to getting out of whitebread tropes--or not at all a good start.

Also, not a real culture, so that earns no representation points. At least Worf was raised in Russia and Torres was Hispanic on her human side.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not trying to say it gets representation points for creating an alien culture, but it seems to me that if you're of the sort to appreciate/be emotionally invested the variety of real cultures, then also being able to appreciate fictional ones seems a logical assumption. Or at least not being snottily dismmissive, which is how I most often seen these same Worf/Klingon detractors act.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Nayrt

Being able to appreciate alien cultures does not mean that you're necessarily going to appreciate each and every alien culture. You can still think depictions of fictional alien cultures are badly worked out or clichéd.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I get what you're saying! It is similar! But it is different, too. Some people want representation for their own culture, or another real-world culture, rather than a totally made-up one.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-22 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think this necessarily follows. Some people might want to see a variety of real cultures represented so that a wide variety of real people can see themselves reflected in the stories they love, for example, which is a reason to want real-world diversity that doesn't apply to seeing diverse fictional cultures.

And even those people who love seeing a range of fictional cultures can still dislike an individual fictional culture, or feel that it's not well done. Personally, I never warmed up to Worf or to depictions of Klingon culture. I generally eat up exploration of fictional cultures with a spoon, but there are some that bore me or rub me the wrong way.