[ SECRET POST #3488 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3488 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Before reading the Athrabeth, I felt similarly with regards to the Valar and humans. Like, they were there to lead the Elves to a place of safety but they just left humans to fend for themselves against a Vala (Melkor) and yet humans fall under the same curses? However, the Athrabeth does address this in a way that at least made it make sense to me.

I can kind of see the Valar's POV to some degree. They basically destroyed earth how it was before the Elves woke and they were wary to fight again lest they destroy the world. The Vala themselves don't even fight in the War of Wrath. But I do side-eye them a bit about their ruling over Valinor. Yeah, they made it, but I don't think that means they should have as much power over the Elves as they do. How they handled the situation with Finwe and his wives showed that.

So, I agree that it made sense that some Elves would want to go back, and I think it was good they did. Not just to pen Melkor in but also to bring the knowledge of Valinor to humans and to allow more human/elf friendships, which I feel is what Eru had in mind.

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What's the Athrabeth?

[(Anonymous)]

The "Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth" is a short story Tolkien wrote between a human lady and an elf where they debate the nature of immortality and what their purpose in the world is (and Melkor's effect on them). It also comes with a long set of notes from Tolkien and then some analysis of the notes by Tolkien's son. It's the most overtly religious thing Tolkien wrote about Middle-earth (and it's still subtle in the actual story) but it sheds a lot of light into what he was thinking with regards to the nature of immortality and the Valar, etc. He answered a lot of questions I had while reading the Silm.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I am not sure they could have done much more about Finwë and Indis, except ending up refusing to allow the marriage. They tried to persuade Míriel to return to the living realm, but she repeatedly refused. Despite the way I tend to favour Fëanor's side on this, frankly it all came down to Míriel being stubborn about it, and after that allowing the marriage to go through was about the only way a bit of happiness could come out of the mess, even if it meant Fëanor was resentful.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you read the HoME versions of what happened? Because Tolkien wrote several versions that were vastly different. In one, I feel that Finwe was an absolute dipshit and I feel for Miriel. She just needed to rest. Why should she put her own happiness aside? She should be able to take the time she needed to recover and Finwe should have waited. I don't think it was selfish on her part. I actually fault him. He might've had more kids eventually or he could've been content with the kid he had. He just wanted it his way and damn her for getting in the way of that.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, my interpretation came from reading "The Shibboleth of Fëanor", which now that I think on it, went light on Finwë's side barring mentioning he started spending time associating with Indis. I think that piece was more about Fëanor and his reaction, and telling a tale about a small lingual tic he and his family had because of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Mmm, I think there might be another one too. I'd have to look it up. I know Tolkien did a bunch of them, same with the Narn i Chîn Húrin.