[ SECRET POST #3505 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3505 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because Uncle Ben, the Waynes, Jason Todd, or Bucky Barnes all died to further the storyline of a character of their own gender. Female characters are fridged to further the storyline of male characters. There's your difference.

Fridging absolutely knows gender.

[(Anonymous)]

The Waynes were both Martha and Thomas Wayne and died in the same exact way together. AKA Bruce's parents. You can't have it both ways. Either it's possible for both genders to be fridged or redefine what fridging is entirely. Otherwise you're going to have to re-evaluate a lot of deaths in fictions which includes queer characters who were similarly killed off for their own gender's man/woman-pain which happens rather frequently.

Fridging is not about gender. It is about the vile disrespect of the victim and use as a shoddy plot device for shock factor to further a narrative. Just because it happens MORE OFTEN to women doesn't mean it doesn't happen to men or that it should be brushed aside as lolmanpain. Fridging should be taken seriously regardless of the gender it occurs to.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me guess, you also believe that ther'es no issue with over-sexualization of female characters, because some male characters are occasionally muscular, and there's no issue with under-representation of women in media, because there's a couple of main female characters in the sea of canons with main male characters?

Fridging is a real, definitely gendered thing, because it's a pattern that disproportionately affects female characters, unlike male characters.

There, just watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-s07VndGA

When you're able to gather an equal number of clips with FEMALE characters going "let HIM go!", I will believe that what you are saying is true, and gender is not a factor in characters getting screwed over to further the storyline of the hero.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

In addition, saying that killing a character to further the storyline of a hero is bad regardless of gender is laughable, because at the heart of it, what's bad about fridging isn't that a character is created specifically to be killed, much like the heart of the issue with rape as a backstory for female characters isn't because rape should never be used as a backstory for any character. The issue is that this trope is used in s exist way.

Killing Batman's dad or Spiderman's uncle doesn't affect male representation in the franchise, but killing, or damselling, the few existing named female characters in the franchise makes a huge difference to female representation in the franchise, and when the same thing happens in nearly every franchise, we have a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

"Let me guess, you also believe that ther'es no issue with over-sexualization of female characters, because some male characters are occasionally muscular, and there's no issue with under-representation of women in media, because there's a couple of main female characters in the sea of canons with main male characters?"

Nice of you to make baseless assumptions about me. Not only have I not brought that up at all but I despise over sexualization of female characters with same body type and T&A pose and recognize that men being muscular is an inherit male power fantasy so nice job.

Two can play that game. If you're going to bring up rape I bet you think male-on-female rape isn't that big a deal because rape is used in a sexist manner against women but you can't be sexist against men so whoops lets not criticize and condone the lazy use of rape at all in any situation even when it's relevant regardless of gender.

Also you are picking a fight with me about comics franchises which have a plethora of women. Some have been fridged yes (Sue Dibney and Lian Harper being the most well known example) but a shit ton haven't. Just because you dn't read or hear about them doesn't mean they don't exist and doesn't discount the shitty things that have happened to male characters who fit the definition of fridging. If it was Supernatural or some other context/franchise which has a shitty 5 to 1 male to female ratio I would be in agreement with you but you are picking the wrong battle over the wrong context which my point from my FIRST POST was in the context of comics.

So nice try, bye thanks don't come again and stay in with your head up your ass.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Quite honestly, I don't buy the "just a male power fantasy" either - because this implies that men have a somehow superior body image than women and can't possibly be pressured into having body image issues brought on by an overly idealistic body image projected by action heroes. Unlike those feeble little women who just can't control their insecurities and are totally influenced by all them unrealistically sexy women in media.

And while we're on the topic of rape: Remember the various male comic characters who were raped by women and it was played down as a joke/never taken seriously/forgotten very quickly?

And last of all: Saying one thing is bad doesn't imply all other things that are equally bad are totally great just because you didn't mention them.

[(Anonymous)]

As a matter of fact, I do think that trivializing famale-on-male rape is an issue, but I am not going to complain about men portraying it int his way anymore than I am going to complain about every teenage girl who writes a rape fantasy fic. No matter what franchise you point to, the gender ratio is still a real thing. I have no doubt that there exist some niche canons with a better gender ratio, but that's like arguing that diaper fetish is a common and mainstream thing, because you can find corners in publications and fandoms which depict it. The fact stills tands, that mainstream media, the one that actually influences our culture and shapes the image of minorities in our minds, is extremely sexist and uses fridging disproportionately against women. You're the one with head up your own ass if you continue to refuse to accept this simple FACT.

So nice try, bye thanks, asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think you disqualified yourself with the simple fact that you couldn't even manage to react to the same kind of shitty assumptions you made about ayrt getting flung in your own face with anything other than name-calling and flouncing.