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⌈ Secret Post #3507 ⌋

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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Shameless (US Version)]

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[Breaking Bad]

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[Movie: Mr. Right]

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[Sherlock Holmes]

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[Jacob Frye/Maxwell Roth, Assassin's Creed Syndicate]

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Did you read the news? Hollywood Reporter said its failure at the BO cost the studio 70 million dollars. It's officially a flop when you lose money.

I'm really skeptical of that kind of reporting, because Hollywood accounting is so loose and flexible in general. IMO it's really hard to trust that kind of reporting in general, and even harder to try to draw really strict conclusions about it.

I agree that it didn't do well at the box office, certainly not as well as Sony would have hoped. I also think it was creatively successful and demonstrated that a market exists for films of this kind - not one where you're necessarily going to spend this kind of budget and marketing on it, but a real, substantial market nonetheless. I'm really, really skeptical of people trying to portray it as a complete and total failure, because I don't think it was.

Thank you for defining "flop". I keep wondering what definition people are using when they have this argument.

Would a movie that only missed out on making back its budget by one dollar be a flop then?

Honestly, I don't really care about this particular movie. I just find this dichotomous idea of flop vs success to be really odd. I thought there were more middling movies in between than these arguments seem to allow for.

nayrt but the ayrt is just spouting words. The movie is still playing in theaters and will most likely turn in a small profit before the end of its theatrical run, as most movies on course like this one do.

I'm not taking anyone's word as objective fact here. I just appreciate when people are clear about what they mean so we don't just have everyone talking past each other, all using different definitions but assuming they're all using the same ones.

Yes because a film needs to break even at minimum to be a success. Just making back its budget is not enough and doesn't account for the money spent on advertising and etceteras.

So the question I think that's actually being asked here is: do you believe every movie is either categorically a "success" or a "flop" with no middle ground? Because your response here makes it seem that you do, and I don't think that's a great way of looking at movies (or really media in general)

That's definitely a question of mine that I haven't gotten a direct answer to. But I've gotten at least one explicit definition of "flop" so we're making progress.

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I think that's irrelevant; a movie losing $1 is vastly different from a movie losing $70,000,000. At that point no matter how you slice it...

Movies can and do barely break even or barely not manage to break even all the time. Those are neither flops nor successes.

Yeah I tend to go off into abstract tangents when that's more interesting to me than the particular case being talked about.

I'm glad to see someone say that a movie can be neither a flop or a success. People seemed weirdly resistant to saying that to me. False dichotomies bug me.

Yeah, and context matters. Success for 'Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter' looks VERY different than success for 'Ghostbusters.'

I think if it had succeeded in breaking even and gone above that would be middle ground.

Don't they have to be talking about the marketing? Because the production budget was $144 million and the worldwide box office gross is $180.9 million.

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