[ SECRET POST #3512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3512 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

IDK, somehow that just feels like a cheap copout to me. If it were ten years ago, then sure, I could buy that excuse, but these days there's enough mainstream media with gay characters that I'm not sure I really believe it.

I mean, we've got stuff like Steven Universe (a kids' cartoon) with canon lesbians.

[(Anonymous)]

Sony also recently released Sausage Party which had more explicit gay characters than this. So yeah, I think Feig is just covering his ass and trying to win brownie points.

[(Anonymous)]

Sausage Party is rated R and a noted "offensive as all hell" movie even by its fans, so that's not exactly doing wonders for gay representation in ordinary media (thanks to that whole "gayness is inherently sexual" thing)

And Steven Universe does have canon lesbians and also has a lot of people claiming that they're straight, close friends, or siblings, sooo...

[(Anonymous)]

he's not trying for brownie points, the character is gay, the gay viewers read her as gay, the gay actress played her as gay, i'm sorry you had to see a lesbian on the big screen but i promise you'll recover

[diet_poison]

I sort of hesitate to bring this up since I sort of wonder if this wank has gone down elsewhere, but...do Ruby and Sapphire count as lesbians? they don't actually have a gender

I think it's awesome that SU is presenting two female-coded people in a strong relationship (and also female-coded people with one-sided interest, in the case of Rose and Pearl) but curious as to whether it is lesbian in the human sense. Does it count as representation because of the female-coded-ness and being presented so normally? I'd love to hear that it does, but not being gay myself I really can't make that call.

[vethica]

Gems are physically sexless, but all the ones we've seen use female pronouns and present female (well, except Steven, but he's different). I think discounting the lesbian relationships in SU because "they don't really have genders" is clinging to a technicality.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Anyone non-canon familiar (or even any character in canon who doesn't know what the deal is with the gems) who looks at Ruby and Sapphire is going to see them as lesbians.

[diet_poison]

I agree with you in the sense that they are lesbian-coded relationships. I do think it would feel weird to be told to accept that as representation though. I wonder if they'd be accepted on a kid's network if they were more explicitly lesbian.

Don't get me wrong - I am not trying to take the "they aren't REALLY LESBIANS so it's okay!" approach! I want to see more representation, not less!

[(Anonymous)]

iirc didn't the creator say they were made "genderless" for the purpose of getting gay relationships on kids shows?

[diet_poison]

Not sure. I wouldn't be terribly surprised, and if it's true, then good for her and good for SU :) and good for Ruby and Sapphire!

[(Anonymous)]

Unless I'm forgetting something, it's never actually been brought up on the show that the Gems are genderless. At most it's implied, with the statement that their true forms are literally just rocks. And aside from using "she" pronouns, other characters have referred to them as women and other feminine words like "mom."

So Word of God is the only way we have definite confirmation that they're genderless. And this secret's showing how some people feel about Word of God...

[diet_poison]

Maybe it's a perspective thing but like...they really read as at least sexless to me, considering that they are "made" instead of born and spring up out of the ground, and there don't appear to be varying genders among them. I always got the impression that was intentional.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Their flirting is about as explicit as you can get in an age-limited cartoon, and is even more mushy than we've seen with Steven's parents.

And then you have Pearl referencing Victor/Victoria.

[diet_poison]

I'm talking about the fact that they're genderless, not the fact that they're explicitly affectionate. Definitely not disagreeing with you there.