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fandomsecrets2016-08-19 06:39 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2016-08-19 06:39 pm
[ SECRET POST #3516 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3516 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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The entire rest of this post is either spoilers or have content warnings.
02. [SPOILERS for Over the Hills and Far Away]
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03. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]
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04. [SPOILERS for Inside]
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05. [SPOILERS for The Girl With All The Gifts]
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06. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]
[WARNING for suicide]
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07. [WARNING for non-con]
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08. [WARNING for incest]
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09. [WARNING for suicide]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #502.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means
(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 12:28 am (UTC)(link)I'm not drawing any claims about HTP one way or the other, but just saying "I'm totally aware of the problematic aspects, and not romanticizing them" doesn't actually mean that you're aware of them or not romanticizing them.
It's kind of like how if I say that I'm not racist, that's not in itself proof that I'm not racist. You know?
Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means
(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 12:29 am (UTC)(link)Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means
(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 12:31 am (UTC)(link)Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means
(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 12:43 am (UTC)(link)50 SoG is romanticizing, because Christian displays tons of controlling and abusive behaviors that are presented as 'romantic' and 'because he's just so in love with her' and as something that should be desirable *for anna in the story* as an exciting and passionate and idealized happy ending, not because some readers get off it
but HTP is about rape that *is horrible for the people fictionally involved* - which is *true*! it's horrible!
now if EL James came out today and said she knew 50SoG was abusive so it wasn't romanticizing, you'd have a point, because the abuser is still portrayed in the story as Anna's genuine happy ending, but that's not what's happening on HTP
racism I think is a pretty different beast, because you're almost never talking about *depictions* of racism when you talk about things being racially problematic, instead it's fiction that supports stereotypes or erasure. I'd consider bodice-rippers where women say no/mean yes, or start out fighting and then give in so it isn't 'really' rape, which uphold and affirm serious rape culture myths that cause victims to be disregarded way more analogous. I don't think that should be illegal either, mind, but I'd side-eye and examine it a lot more and I don't consume it myself.
Re: ITT: literally no one knows what 'romanticization' means
(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 01:38 am (UTC)(link)I wasn't saying that HTP was, in fact, problematic. Like I said, "I'm not drawing any claims about HTP one way or the other".
The only point I was making is, how they self-define is not necessarily a reliable guide to whether that's true. You have to actually look at what they do. Which is what you're doing here and it's great and I'm sorry I didn't communicate my point well enough.