ext_82219 ([identity profile] shahni.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-04-08 02:24 pm

[ Secret Post #459 ]


⌈ Secret Post #459 ⌋

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7 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-04-08 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
The creepiness implanted itself into my head in the beginning and never let up. First and foremost, I never understood why she was so infatuated with him. The dude said he was going to kill her. Her only interactions with him at school have shown him to be suicidal, homicidal, somewhat psychopathic loner. Why does Relena like/want to find out more about him? This isn't just ballsy; it's just crazy.

And Heero was just crazy in the beginning and tried to kill himself every three episodes. So we have this pairing comprised of a stalkerish, crazy lady and a suicidal psychopath. WTF.

I can get that maybe Heero warmed up to Relena later as he was around her more, but the fact that she shoved her face into his affairs constantly is nonsensical to me. For that matter, Heero crying into Relena's arms at the end of Endless Waltz? What the hell? Where did that come from?

So I guess the ship's creepy to me because:
1) individual craziness on the part of Heero and Relena
2) sub-par pacing/writing for Heero/Relena
3) magical character changes for Heero?

Re: 7 OP

[identity profile] azure15.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
AMEN! :D

Re: 7 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-04-08 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
So we have this pairing comprised of a stalkerish, crazy lady and a suicidal psychopath. WTF.
LOL you just described Ginny Weasley/Tom Riddle. God, that ship sucks creepy balls.

All of Gundam Wing sucks. I used to like it but now I think it blows.

Re: 7 OP

[identity profile] rewritten.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I won't say that Gundam Wing is the best written anime out there-- far from it. Because when it comes down to it; its just another Gundam series.

I don't think it sucks though-- it's not ground breaking but its defiantly not unwatchable or "blows". It kinda was hurt by the fandom on both sides; rabid yaoi and het shippers and it hasn't aged well.

But it's got a special place in my heart for nostalgia's sake.

Re: 7 OP

[identity profile] rewritten.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Well I think the reasons why Relena was so infatuated with Heero even after threatening to kill her, was because of what she was Heero stood for her. She was a naive little rich girl who everyone saw as some untouchable Princess; who's own father couldn't find the time of day for-- even though he had taken her with him to spend him with her. And then here come some crazy boy who is just shrouded in mystery-- she's drawn in. No one had ever said something like that to her before ("I'll kill you."); and well that was apart of Relena's character-- her life was so boring to her that she jumped at the chance to be drawn into something way over her head and have someone see her in the way and not just forget and ignore her, but now to want to kill her. Heero stood for this life she didn't have-- she saw him as someone who had all this amazing strength in himself and able to take action and try to make a difference for things he believed in. She wanted to find that strength in herself; that's why when she figured out in episode 2 that she knew too much about him and that's why he was out to kill her now; she couldn't very well turn back now. I think she knew her actions were pretty crazy, but I think she wanted to believe that even though he has sworn to kill her, there was kindness in him that wouldn't allow him to do so. That cab be very well seen when she talks with Doctor J after Minister Darlian is killed. She knew she was acting irrationally (she says so to her father picture in episode 10 I think, that she knows he can't believe she chasing after some boy) but after episode 10--- Relena doesn't go out of her way to follow Heero anymore.

Also, don't forgot that her father had died not long after meeting Heero. She had to put her mind off his death and just focus completely on Heero.

And yeah; I don't deny that Heero was/is crazy. The only times he ever tried to kill himself was for the sake of the mission. He saw himself and his life of no more importance than that of the Gundams-- evidence of the mission easily destroyed and kept out of the enemies hands. He had seen himself as his mission being complete at the end of episode 3-- he didn't think that Duo would have been able to save Wing from those rockets and thought it was the perfect opperetunity to then dispose of what else remained. He was definatly not some suicidal psycopath; just a 15 year old solider brain washed to think that his only existence was there in the cockpit of a Gundam and nothing more.

Re: 7 OP

[identity profile] rewritten.livejournal.com 2008-04-08 10:49 pm (UTC)(link)

But it was Relena who came in and made Heero have a reason to live outside of battlefield. That's why he came to want to protect her by the end of the series. He couldn't be a heartless soldier anymore because even though he still saw his life as no meaning-- he found someone else to live for. For Relena. He wanted to protect her and began to see how much he meant to her.

Even though Relena was using Heero as an outlit to find strength in herself-- she definatly fell inlove with him by the end of the series-- but she knew her going and telling Heero "I'm in love with you" would do no good for him. She knew that would probably mean nothing to him in the middle of a war and well, she had more important things to worry about herself than proclaiming her love for him.

The end of Endless Waltz... well first off Heero wasn't crying. He passed out and Relena caught him in her arms. I dunno-- I like to see it as Heero finally having all the weight lifted off his shoulders and just being loved for once and no longer needed to be a killer and a soldier. That he can now try to live.

Relena shoved her face into Heero's affairs... twice? When she came to the Navel Base in episode two and then when she followed him to Antarctica to stop him from more than likely killing himself in the end. I'm not saying she should have-- but I think she wanted so badly for him to keep living she really didn't care how dangerous her actions were or even if in the end they would totally back fire.

1) I don't think they are crazy-- just two teenagers in the middle of a war. Who's going to be acting 'normal' when you're 15 and thrown into those situations.
2) Eh, I would agree with you on that part. The writer himself said he wasn't good with writing romance anyway.
3) I don't think they were magical. Heero was never some CRAZY SUICIDAL SOLIDER in the first place. He had emotions; he felt things. He just tried to keep them locked away because he didn't seem them necessary for being a soldier. But he did feel-- how he felt so guilty for killing Marshall Noventa.

Re: 7 OP

[identity profile] annwyd.livejournal.com 2008-04-09 02:08 am (UTC)(link)
Man, this makes me really want to finish watching GW someday. A year or so back I watched the first...17 or so? episodes and got pretty much the same impression as you did of Heero and Relena's relationship and I loved how it was both so genuinely touching and also so melodramatic and full of silly dorky teenage drama. XD