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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-08-30 06:50 pm

[ SECRET POST #3527 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3527 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-08-31 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
I would bet $500,000,000 fucking dollars that Donald Trump will get more than 45% of the vote come election time.

But even then, "only voting for him because of Hillary Clinton" kind of misses the point here. For whatever reason, 45% of Americans are willing to sign on to a presidential campaign that is outrageously incompetent, outrageously racist, and in many ways aligned with white nationalism. Those are characteristics that a whole hell of a lot of American voters are completely comfortable settling for, if not outright in favor of. And that's before you take into account that the sane, not-terrible candidate is still someone who is in favor of a muscular Americanism, whose foreign policy outlook still includes bombing a hell of a lot of places.

I don't think any of these political tendencies are unique to America, by any means. I think most of this stuff is just how people more or less work politically. But, like. I don't think it's really possible to portray American politics as basically sane or humane or liberal or functional. American politics includes as default, mainstream, reflexive, unquestioned positions a whole hell of a lot of things that are inhumane and imperial and dysfunctional - even if those things aren't necessarily supported by people who are frothing at the mouth, it's hardly a defense of the American citizen that people casually and calmly and reasonably accept those positions. And American politics also includes an extremely large number of people who are, in fact, crazy asshole nationalists. Only 30% of the electorate, sure, but that's still 30% of the fucking electorate.

Basically, the point that I'm trying to make here is that (A) really fucking awful ideas are mainstreamed in American politics very frequently even amongst people who are not crazy (B) there are a lot of crazy people in American politics (C) defending American politics as not basically crazy and somehow imposed on American voters by some external force seems, to be, not really a position that you can square with reality.
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[personal profile] dethtoll 2016-08-31 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I would bet $500,000,000 fucking dollars that Donald Trump will get more than 45% of the vote come election time.

I'll take that bet.