[ SECRET POST #3528 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3528 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

When was the last time you reading anything that wasn't a YA dystopian novel? Serious question here.

Off the top of my head I can name a whole bunch of authors just within the SFF genres who write fiction for adults that deals with race, gender, sexuality, etc. Helen Oyeyemi, Aliette de Bodard, Nnedi Okorafor (who writes both adult and YA, it should be noted), Scott Lynch, N.K. Jemisin... and that's just modern authors! That's not even getting into The Classics™, like Joanna Russ, James Tiptree Jr., Ursula K. Le Guin (another author who wrote for both adults and teens), and so on.

I'm not saying YA fiction is inherently bad. I like some YA authors. Karen Healey is good. Tamora Pierce is good. But to say that YA is superior to adult fiction and has no issues whatsoever is ludicrous.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but "young adult" and "adult" are such massive (and to some extent, arbitrary) categories I don't know why you both are even comparing who has more diversity cookies.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that's literally what the anon I responded to was doing?

According to them, "YA has better diversity on all fronts than almost every type of adult fiction."

This is simply untrue. There are TONS of non-YA authors writing books for and about women, people of colour, LGBT people, etc. If you can't find them, you're not looking hard enough.

Here, have a diverse list of adult fiction authors from all sorts of different backgrounds who write all sorts of different books featuring all sorts of different people:
Catherynne M. Valente
Caitlín R. Kiernan
Samit Basu
Yoon Ha Lee
Vandana Singh
Salman Rushdie
Neil Gaiman
Kameron Hurley
Jessica Amanda Salmonson
Zadie Smith
Larissa Lai
Saladin Ahmed
Karen Lord
Elizabeth Moon
Rachel Hartman
Samuel R. Delaney
Jacqueline Koyanagi
Balogun Ojetade
Chitra Banerjee Divakaruni
Lavie Tidhar
Jane Rule
Phyllis Gotlieb
Margaret Atwood
Orhan Pamuk
Ishmael Reed
Jyl Lynn Felman
Umberto Eco

And so, so many more.

Look, here's a whole fucking anthology of indigenous SF for grown-ups:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13226625-walking-the-clouds

I repeat: If you can't find them, YOU'RE NOT FUCKING LOOKING HARD ENOUGH.

[(Anonymous)]

(same anon as above)

OH LOOK HERE ARE EVEN MORE

Guy Gavriel Kay
Nalo Hopkinson
Nisi Shawl
Zen Cho
Nella Larsen
Percival Everett
Alison Bechdel
Sarah Waters
Indra Das
Kij Johnson
Max Gladstone
David Mitchell
Charlotte Perkins Gilman
Jeanette Winterson
Sarah Zettel

[(Anonymous)]

lmao you respond by continuing to compare adult and young adult fiction.

"When was the last time you reading anything that wasn't a YA dystopian novel?"

You do know that there actually is young adult lit that isn't dystopian, right? And there's lots of young adult lit that isn't ~inherently problematic~ like wtf man. You are generalizing and reducing a genre - if you can even really call it that - as much as ayrt.

[(Anonymous)]

How is saying "hey, there is actually lots of diverse literature for adults" and "some YA literature has problems" generalizing and reducing YA? Please explain. I'm dying to know.

[(Anonymous)]

Simply implying "YA has issues" is ridiculous. It's hardly a real genre, even, beyond generally starring teens and being written with a teenage audience in mind (and even then, that's not always the case). YA has no inherent characteristics beyond that, so cannot be inherently problematic.

And the fact that you got defensive and started a ridiculous list of ~diverse~ fiction writers is ridiculous. Adult fiction, aka, fiction, exists in like ten billion forms by people from all over our highly diverse globe, why are we even having this conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

"Adult fiction, aka, fiction, exists in like ten billion forms by people from all over our highly diverse globe"

Because that statement is absolutely true yet the original anon made it clear that they were either somehow completely unaware of that, or were deliberately being obtuse and pretending that all adult fiction is about straight white men and all YA fiction is perfect, despite the fact this is a nonsensical and easily disproven claim?

I actually agree with everything you are saying here, so I'm not sure why you're so desperate to pick a fight with me.