[ SECRET POST #3529 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3529 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Luther]


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03.
[Orlando Bloom, Elijah Wood, Dominic Monaghan, Billy Boyd, Sean Astin]


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04.
[Supernatural]


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05.
[Ane Brun- "Do You Remember" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lI30Qw69AQ)]


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06.
[The Pillars of the Earth miniseries]


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07.
[Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries]
















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Comments

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[(Anonymous)]

Is Steven ever wrong? I didn't watch the whole thing, but the way that he always seemed to be right, even when he was being stupid and willful annoyed me no end.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there are quite a few episodes early on where he makes a mistake or fucks up somehow, makes a huge mess and then has to figure a way out of it. In later episodes that sort of plot isn't so common, but what happens instead is you see him starting to question things he's been brought up to believe about his mother, the crystal gems, the nature of the gem war, and all that. And he's beginning to see through the idealized, sanitized vision he and the other Crystal Gems have made of his mother, Rose Quartz. It's actually some of the most subtle and interesting character development I've seen in a show aimed at kids.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[erinptah]

He messed up a mission as early as Cheeseburger Backpack (the third episode) -- the Gems aren't particularly hard on him about it, but we find out later that they have plot-based reasons for that.

There are a bunch of episodes where the point is for him to learn a Valuable Lesson. From the first season, Future Vision, Winter Forecast, Secret Team, and Open Book all count.

And there are plenty where he messes up or needs to be saved at some point throughout the story. Serious Steven, Joking Victim, and Steven the Sword Fighter all have some of this.

He gets a lot better at being smart and thoughtful over the course of the series. It's honestly some really satisfying character development to watch.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[(Anonymous)]

Almost every time he interferes with Sadie and Lars he's in the wrong.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[diet_poison]

That is an excellent example.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[(Anonymous)]

But he never really sees any consequences for it. When he was possessing Lars' body and went invading his and Sadie's private life (and in a pretty skeevy way, too, it was seen as no big deal. The one who got left with all the fallout for that in the end was Lars (I don't even like that character, but that episode was fucked up).

I think Steven gets treated like a charming toddler who can do no real wrong, but he's far too old for that.

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[(Anonymous)]

that one time Sadie did get upset about the pop star performance (where Steven and Sadie's mom wanted her to perform on a stage) and Steven realized he fucked up, big time

he's like a little kid, and the show portrays him as such
he gets into trouble and sometimes understands what he did was wrong, usually because he sees how it affects others
so to me it makes sense he doesn't realize what he's done if he doesn't see the consequences

he's not a particularly smart kid, but he's not selfish either
he's more like a morality pet, not "main character who's always right"

Re: Spoiler warning for season 3

[kamino_neko]

Even if it were true that Steven is always right (not so, as mentioned by the others), that wouldn't be protagonist-centred morality - that would be an intelligent and moral protagonist (possibly one that's boring, but that's a whole different criticism).

Protagonist-centred morality is when what the protagonist does is right, simply because it's what they did. To keep this to SU, let's use the Sadie/Lars example others have brought up - if Steven's meddling had worked, or if Sadie and Lars's reaction was treated by the narrative as incorrect, rather than how Steven learns his lesson...that would be protagonist-centred morality.