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[ SECRET POST #461 ]

⌈ Secret Post #461 ⌋

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Update on the LJ situation.

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 48 secrets from Secret Submission Post #066.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ].
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Whoah there, stop making assumptions. Tom Riddle was my favourite character for a long time, because I thought that he would end up being Harry's foil; the powerful orphan who could have done so much good, but ended up going down the dark path.

My barbs in the comments weren't actually about Tom Riddle at all, but about J.K.R's portrayal of him. I agree with you that nobody is born 'evil', but that's just the way that J.K.R wrote him. I was arguing my point based on my perception of canon, not based on my perception of good and evil. There's a big difference.

I was disappointed that she wrote him this way, actually, and thought that she squandered a potentially amazing villain with a simply adequate one. He isn't three dimensional by my definition of the term, meaning that he lacks any real doubts, regrets, or internal conflict. And I don't mean doubts and conflict that we as readers have to infer from his circumstances; I mean places in the source material where we are explicitally shown them (as is the case with many villains, including Draco and Snape.)

And please understand, I don't feel nearly passionate about this as you apperently do. I'm not even an active member of the fandom. I just think that J.K's characterization (in canon, regardless of whether or not I agree with her blatant fatalism) does not leave room for Tom Riddle to have been anything than some variation of what he eventually became. I don't think that shows flaws in my reasoning, but I don't really mind if you think otherwise.

A. If he was your favourite character, you'd see that he is a 3D character.

Lol, get out of the fandom if you don't know shit about it, ty.

Fandom is serious bussiness, right?

A. He was my favourite character. He ceased to be my favourite character because I saw him as two dimensional. Why does this assesment make you so angry? You and I have different standards of what constitutes a character being three dimensional. We can never see eye to eye on that.

And yeah...did you fail to read the part where I expressly stated that I am NOT in the fandom. I don't have to be in the fandom to have an opinion. In addition, having an opinion that differs from yours does not mean that I know "shit"-- it means that I have perceived the same facts in a different way.

You are beginning to remind me of rabid shippers, so I'm going to have to stop now. Not everybody is going to perceive characters the way that you do, even if they have all the same information from the canon. If you can't accept that, then I honestly have nothing more to say to you.

oh, because I think your opinion is shit in a box, you think I am a shipper. holy shit, you have it wrong, lol.

I'm hardly a super fangirl and I don't even write super slashy fan-fiction, get over yourself.

look at you, trying to be bad ass w/your tl;dr posts.

You don't make me angry, you make me laugh.

I AM NOT INTO THE FANDOM. I AM A COMPLETELY A THIRD PARTY OBSERVING WITH NO INTEREST IN THE MATTER. <--- You.

You have become lawl material my friend, you have lost the internets. D;

oh, because I think your opinion is shit in a box, you think I am a shipper. holy shit, you have it wrong, lol.
No. I think that you're absolutely entitled to think that my opinion is wrong. I think that your attitude of saying I know nothing about canon because I hold an opinion you disagree with is reminiscent of rabid shippers.

look at you, trying to be bad ass w/your tl;dr posts.
Are you being serious?

I AM NOT INTO THE FANDOM. I AM A COMPLETELY A THIRD PARTY OBSERVING WITH NO INTEREST IN THE MATTER.

Not what I said. I have read all the books, and was active in the fandom for years. I have since stopped. Therefore, I am fully entitled to have an opinion, because I read the source material. That is actually all that is needed to have an opinion about something, believe it or not. I do have an 'interest' in it. What I said was, and I quote: "I am not as passionate about it as you apperently are".

I'm hardly a super fangirl and I don't even write super slashy fan-fiction, get over yourself.
What does writing slash have to do with being militant about fandom opinions?

Up until that last post (where I admittedly accused you of displaying shipper-like behavior), all I did was politely disagree with you. Why did you reply so viciously? I...honestly don't understand. It's possible to think that somebody has a stupid opinion without being so reactionary.

Point is, until you accused me of being a rabid shipper, I wasn't going to keep on replying to your tl;dr dissecting 'im super serial' bullshit opinion. Anything awesome you had to say went right down the drain.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, your opinion is shit in a box.

Yes, you are trying to seem 'omg supr intellectualz!11' by writing tl;dr posts.

Shorten your shit up, it's annoying.

until you accused me of being a rabid shipper
I never accused you of being a shipper. Acting like =/= being. Even so, it was uncalled for and I apoligise. What drove me to make it was the fact that your reply just oozed nastiness.
THIS:
A. If he was your favourite character, you'd see that he is a 3D character. ---> Holier-than-thou.

And this:
Lol, get out of the fandom if you don't know shit about it, ty. ---> Condescending.

It rubbed me the wrong way, and I reacted. I shouldn't have.

As for the tl;dr: Re-read your initial post. It was much longer than my reply. It was much longer than any of my replies, in fact.

Shut the fuck up. :] You are obnoxious.

where I admittedly accused you of displaying shipper-like behavior

Same thing, different story.

That's hardly condescending, grow a pair of nuts plz.

Obnoxious? Yeah, I am. But at least I'm not a fanbrat who makes sweeping generalizations about slash shippers, has poor reading comprehension, and gets annoyed at people using college-level writing in livejournal posts.

Grow the fuck up.

Oh, cry a fucking river because you analyze everything as if you are some kind of forensic specialist of some sort. You probably just some pathetic 10 year old behind a computer, getting all pissy because I got your panties in a twist.

Aw. I have fine reading comprehension, I just don't care to go through your countless, mindless bullshit.

I hope you know I've succeeded my goal of pissing you off ;X

Saying your not means you are just in denial. X;

Ah, I see. When somebody points out your hypocracy, you resort to petty insults and lose all semblance of logical argumentation. Fair enough. I can at least rest easy knowing that I don't get kicks out of the discomfort or anger of others. I'm sure it's nice to be so easily amused. :)

Lol, nah.

I don't really care for debating or my hypocrisies. You guys are too serious business anyways, lol. OMG FANDOM IZ SERIOUZ BUSINEZZZ..

Yes, I like to go here on these fandom bitching boards and make trouble, lol.

You all get so offended.

nice icon, pooch

ur welcome sxc anon.

lets do it.

Lol, delete your comment?

I wonder if we'll end up on fandom_wank? That was pretty epic, I have to say.

People hate me, definitely a possibility. lol.

I came. :P

Lol, hey.

Sorry if I caused you unnecessary hurt feelings, I just like getting people riled when I purposely don't read their comments. You can think I am all those atrocious things, I'm really not but I hardly care.

I don't really watch my mouth, I should. I wasn't try to insult the super-slash community as I personally dislike it and I think most of the HP shippers are slashers. That's what I've seen from being in the fandom.

Everyone is so tense about homosexual men, when half the people who write the slash stuff aren't even male at all. I don't understand the point of being so offended by words like: fagt, faggot, gay and all that.

I don't understand it and probably never will.

Nah, you mostly just caused me a shitload of frustration and, as you desired, anger. ^^

To be honest, I know that my posts are verbose and tl;dr. It's honestly not because I want to come off as 'super intellectual', it's just how I've been trained to write because of excessive analytical essays for skewl. I'm workin' on it, though. Give me time.

And, as for the slash/homosexuality issue. The reason why people get offended is because, even if they themselves aren't gay men, alot of those words/attitudes are hurting people IRL. Friends and family members who are gay men. Words like 'faggot' have loaded meanings, and resonate with all the shit being done to homosexuals around the world.

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The whole point of books 6 and 7 was to show us Dumbledore wasn't perfect and that Tom Riddle didn't have the best childhood.

Yeah, I get that. And I think that JKR achieved what she set out to achieve. But the fact that Tom Riddle had a shitty childhood doesn't stop me from seeing JKR's characterization of him as fatalistic. That's what I got from the finale: Tom was destined to be Voldemort. Feel free to disagree, but that's just how it came off to me. I honestly wasn't aiming to cause wank, or anything.

I do disagree (but like you, I'm not emotionally overinvested, so you don't have to worry about me going rabid, like... certain other people can).

Children develop their abuility to feel empathy during the first year/year and a half (though they don't develop the actual empathy until much later), which is why Tom Riddle's childhood really could have changed him - it was just too late when Dumbledore discovered him.

We also have to remember that Harry's perception of Dumbledore as the wise, faultless mentor in the frist book is false. I know it's easy to fall in the trap of relying on first impressions, and also to mistake a character's voice for the author's, but Dumbledore is just human, and due to his position mistakes have far-reaching consequences.

But the fact that Tom Riddle had a shitty childhood doesn't stop me from seeing JKR's characterization of him as fatalistic

In a way I do agree. But to me it was more a case of being delt a set of circumstances that were pretty much impossible to overcome. Sometimes life just makes your choices really limited; it's not always possible for things to work out for the best. I think I see it more of a case of previous generations' mistakes having consequences far beyond their own lifespan. We're not born with a clean slate, really; our parents' and forefathers' choices will affect us as well.

In short: life isn't fair.

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