[ SECRET POST #3531 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3531 ⌋

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[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/850Ec4u.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Bilbo couldn't have taken the ring anyway in the movie!verse, do the viewers not remember his little Gollum-out when he tried to take it back from Frodo? Bilbo wouldn't have gotten three steps with the ring with shoving it on his finger and that would have been that. It had taken too great a toll on him and I thought it was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be in a state to carry it.

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[analise]

You said exactly what I was about to say.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

And as for bookverse, well the Gollum-out scene was basically an explicit show of something that was in the book. Maybe the book was more subtle about it (the same about the "Dark Queen" thing with Galadriel), but it was there, so I would say even in bookverse, Bilbo wouldn't have lasted near half as long ass Frodo did.

[(Anonymous)]

I think between this and the fact that Frodo's time carrying the ring was maybe underestimated at the optimistic outset, I never thought twice about whether Bilbo should have done it.

[(Anonymous)]

Well they did think they were simply going to walk into Mordor. Everyone knows that you gotta take the Holland tunnel to do that.

[(Anonymous)]

Leaving aside the whole fact that Bilbo was clearly in no state to do anything about the Ring by that stage, what do they mean, letting Frodo suffer the consequences of his actions? Which actions? I mean, Bilbo's hardly to blame for having stumbled across a magic ring that wanted to be found while staggering around the arsecrack of the world in fear of his life, or for everyone around him failing to realise/tell him what it was until the shit had already hit the fan and he was too old and worn through to do anything about it. Even if Bilbo felt responsible, I don't see how he actually could be. And while the flight to Rivendell was a result of Bilbo leaving the Ring in the Shire, he didn't exactly expect that nine several-thousand-years-undead wraiths would promptly come hunting it and force Frodo to run either. Anything past that point, Frodo volunteered for himself, and Bilbo was no more responsible for him having to than anyone else at that Council.

Neither hobbit should have had to be the one to carry the Ring, they just both had that wonderful combination of good/bad luck, stubborn noble streak, adventuring spirit and resistance to temptation while in the middle of what turned out to be the reheating period of several decades-to-millennia-old cold wars.

[arcadiaego]

There's some hints that Bilbo has been dishonest between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings about what went on, but it's said in LotR that he told Frodo the truth anyway so I'm not sure why anyone would accuse him of just foisting stuff onto Frodo.

[arcadiaego]

Wow, I've never heard that argument. By the time Bilbo even knew what the Ring actually it was too late for him personally to do anything about it, as you say! It's not as if he even got hold of it because of malice in the first place. And no one knew Frodo's journey would turn out the way it did, that's sort of the point.

Movie verse really pushes the dark side of The Hobbit (which is inevitable if you're going to do LotR *first*) but I would have thought it makes it even *more* obvious given how old Bilbo looks in Rivendell.