[ SECRET POST #3535 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3535 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You're confusing gender and gender-roles. Gender ROLES are a societal construct.

[(Anonymous)]

nope, try again. there is nothing to gender except gender roles. human bodies are sexually dymorphic, but human brains are not. there is no functional difference between a male brain or a female brain. gender would not exist if we hadn't created it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh come on, not this pseudoscientific "The brain's nothing but CHEMICALS and you can't prove emotions exist there's no difference between an angry brain and a happy brain so emotions don't really exist."

There's been way too many attempts for people to prove that gender's just socialization that have failed horribly. People have been trying to prove that pet theory for ages with no luck. You might as well trot out the few people who swear they prayed and Jesus made them straight and so orientation is just a choice.

[(Anonymous)]

it's not a pet theory, it's the facts. trans people who've bought into the cult of gender will claim that they have a "male brain" or a "female brain" but there is no scientific evidence to support it.

and besides, you're dodging the real issue here; what is gender if not a construction based upon gender roles? what does it mean to "identify" as a man or to "identify" as a woman, if not having personality traits that are stereotypically associated with male or female, a.k.a. gender roles?

is it dysphoria? well, no, it can't be, because:
A) dysphoria, or a the feeling of being in the "wrong body" is not simply a matter of having "masculine" or "feminine" personality traits. (source: i am a dysphoric female.)
B) the gender cult is now pushing the idea that you don't NEED dysphoria to be trans, despite that flying in the face of all common sense. (source: tumblr and all its bunself pronouns and special snowflake identities)

also, its kind of ironic that you're dragging orientation into this since one of the big "issues" the gender cultists are going about now is that they believe there's no such thing as lesbianism and everyone is or should be pansexual, so refusing to sleep with trans women makes you an evil bigoted TERF.

anyway, brainsex theory has been debunked. some articles on the topic:

https://sexnotgender.com/brain-sex-does-not-exist/
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/12/04/malefemale-brain-myth-debunked/
https://jadehunter.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/debunking-brain-differences-between-sexes/
http://secretlyradical.blogspot.ca/2015/06/transgender-identity-politics-and.html

[(Anonymous)]

How about some real science? http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha nope. That's a good example of a cherry-picked study with a test group too small to be statistically significant, though.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28582-scans-prove-theres-no-such-thing-as-a-male-or-female-brain/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/04/male-female-brains-same-but-people-all-different
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1739599/neuroscientist-professor-gina-rippon-claims-that-men-and-womens-brains-are-no-different/
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/talking-back/is-the-brain-gendereda-q-a-with-harvard-s-catherine-dulac/

Women are not "naturally" docile and submissive. Are there generally some observable differences between male brains and female brains? Yes, obviously. Is there a "definitive male brain" or a "definitive female brain", i.e. is the human brain unquestionably sexually dymorphic in the same way that the human body is? Nope. Is the human brain the source of gender roles (a.k.a. gender)? No. Society is. Patriarchy is.

Sorry if this makes it harder for you to justify the continued institutionalized degradation of women, I guess.

[feotakahari]

I don't even know where you're getting these people who supposedly think lesbians are bad and women should be subjugated, but are supportive of trans rights. I've never seen a movement like that in the news, and none the legislation I've seen recently that's anti-woman or anti-lesbian is from officials who're pro-trans. It's like being told you support people who eat babies--who are these baby-eaters, and does anyone actually listen to them?

[(Anonymous)]

You wouldn't hear about it in the news because it's something that's happening mostly within the context of leftist activism - a sort of stealth war being fought between so-called "radfems" and proponents of third-wave sex-positive "queer theory" feminism. "Feminist" spaces are gradually been taken over by biological males who want to shut down female voices and female-centered activism. Talking about issues that affect biological females (such as abortion, infanticide committed against female babies, corrective rape of lesbians) is now deemed "cissexist" and transphobic by the same people who claim to be fighting for women's rights. Biological females are no longer allowed to call themselves women - we are now "uterus bearers." Cotton ceiling rhetoric, which perpetuates rape culture, is considered an actual human rights issue and not just the "friendzone" under another name. Trans "activists" will derail discussions about female genital mutilation to whine that the very term "female genital mutilation" is transphobic. Biological reality is ignored and dismissed, and lesbians are told they have to accept penis or be deemed transphobes.

As for legislation, heard of the kerfuffle over bathroom bills? Men can now legally pretend to be transwomen to gain access to women's spaces and no one is allowed to question them, because mens' entitlement trumps womens' safety. And since every time this is brought up gender cultists will cry "omg men have never pretended to be trans to sneak into bathrooms and assault women, that NEVER EVER HAPPENS HOW DARE YOU, TRANSPHOBE TERF CIS SCUM!!11" here are the receipts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ
https://archive.is/1Wu9k#selection-675.0-866.1
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault
https://allisonslaw.wordpress.com/2015/02/26/cross-dresser-arrested-in-womans-bathroom-for-peering-under-a-bathroom-stall-with-a-mirror/
https://allisonslaw.wordpress.com/2015/02/27/cross-dresser-rapes-and-murders-5-woman-and-a-3-month-old-infant-in-prison-asks-to-be-a-woman-and-is-granted-name-change-and-hormones-as-its-every-mans-right-to-be-a-woman-even-serial-rapist/
https://allisonslaw.wordpress.com/2015/03/10/cross-dressing-child-molester-caught-in-womens-bathroom/

[(Anonymous)]

Biological females are no longer allowed to call themselves women - we are now "uterus bearers."

This is just, like, not true.

Men can now legally pretend to be transwomen to gain access to women's spaces and no one is allowed to question them, because mens' entitlement trumps womens' safety.

It would be a lot easier to pay attention to this line of argument if there were any indication that you were considering on any level & weighing the importance of transwomen being able to use women's spaces. But you don't because you consistently identify transwomen as men.

[(Anonymous)]

"This is just, like, not true."

Really? Go into a room full of trans activists and say that abortion is a women's issue, or an issue that only affects females. No, really. Try it some time. You will be called a TERF for saying "women" or "female" instead of "uterus-bearer" or "people with uteruses."

As for your second point:
1) Transwomen do need spaces of their own. This is why transwomen-only spaces should be a thing in addition to female-only spaces. There is a lot of overlap between issues faced by biological females and those faced by transwomen, but there are also many differences. Transwomen do not have to deal with issues specific to those with female biology and female socialization.
2) Biologically speaking, they are men. They were have male biology, and growing up would have been raised as male and received male socialization. This doesn't mean that they're not oppressed (because they are), but it does mean that as I alluded to before, the oppression they are subjected to is of a different nature than that of biological females, even if on the surface level there is a lot of overlap.

The truth is that there is no easy solution to this problem. But there are things that can be done. Like I said, transwomen do need spaces of their own, just like biological females needs spaces of our own. Gender neutral washrooms and locker rooms can and should be implemented wherever possible. Feminism and trans activism should be allied with each other, but they should not be seen as the same thing. Because they're not.

[feotakahari]

"Men can now legally pretend to be transwomen to gain access to women's spaces and no one is allowed to question them, because mens' entitlement trumps womens' safety. And since every time this is brought up gender cultists will cry "omg men have never pretended to be trans to sneak into bathrooms and assault women, that NEVER EVER HAPPENS HOW DARE YOU, TRANSPHOBE TERF CIS SCUM!!11""

See, this is EXACTLY the sort of argument I was talking about earlier. Republicans are so worked up about the idea of male predators in trans-inclusive bathrooms, but they don't give a rotten shit when men, not claiming or pretending to be trans, barge into women-only bathrooms and rape women. Nor do they care when transwomen who're forced to use men-only bathrooms are raped by the men in there: http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/Herman-Gendered-Restrooms-and-Minority-Stress-June-2013.pdf. Actual rape victims are treated as mythological, almost fairy-like, except insofar as they can be used as weapons with which to bludgeon transsexuals.

[diet_poison]

Men can now legally pretend to be transwomen to gain access to women's spaces and no one is allowed to question them, because mens' entitlement trumps womens' safety.

And trans women's safety is chopped liver, amirite?

Seriously, what do you think would happen if a female-passing trans women walked into the men's room? What about a trans women who very clearly looks trans? Do you actually think that's a safe situation?

Do you actually think cis men who want to victimize women are going to balk just because of a stupid bathroom law? Do you think they won't find a way? (Especially considering that the same people who cry about how dangerous it is to let trans people use the bathroom they want don't actually give much of a shit about sexual assault against women in general?)

Come on.