[ SECRET POST #3542 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3542 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 19 secrets from Secret Submission Post #506.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i68.tinypic.com/28iazqq.png

[(Anonymous)]

I'm one of the people who has complained about trans headcanons a lot here, and what you say here is exactly why I hate most of them.

[nanslice]

I feel like I should recognize this manga but I'm not placing it. :\a

[(Anonymous)]

...I didn't know I wanted ultramanly!trans guy fic until now.

I personally don't care for the normal tropes either. (And, in my experience, the way they're normally used is really offputting, in a "do they even see this character as male?" kinda way in some cases.)

[feotakahari]

Family Compo has this. Just be warned that it's a bit old, so some of it's aged pretty messily.

[(Anonymous)]

Trans headcanons are basically the new self-insert now.

[ariakas]

This is how the vast majority of them read to me, too.

[digitalghosts]

Is that not another stereotype OP :P? Not one for either ultra!masculine dudes or trans stories but variety in all genres is nice. Just give me any gay and I will be a happy man.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I think it depends on which stereotype one finds more believable.

[digitalghosts]

True, to be fair I come from a place where super macho men dressing in baggy clothes are considered the norm - same as manly hugs, manly broship as default and true and even all gay men need to be 'straight-passing' or they are considered complete deviants. However, at the moment I live in Glasgow where total opposite is true.

I do find it icky when gay men are judged on how macho they are, yes yaoi is something else but still it is ugh.

[(Anonymous)]

What yaoi is the image from?

need to read it, no shame

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone give an example of a Western media fandom with lots of trans headcanons? I feel like I've never seen one and all these secrets are making me really curious.

[digitalghosts]

That is a good question... Seen those in gaming fandom few years ago. Specifically Dragon Age but no idea if it is still the same. It did have quite a variety of characters seen as such. Then I remember a troll fanfic where someone written a fanfic with Black Widow from Avenger comics, no idea which version, possibly the one with Soviet background? Not well with comics at times as fonts bother me. Anyway, she was written as a spider. As in not in any otherkin way, her gender was spider not species.

Now, canon-canon, there is quite an argument on Haruka in Sailor Moon manga as quite few people told us the character was intended as a trans man in Japanese ones but it got translated wrongly. No idea if they are right we are familiar with her being very insistent on being a woman and a lesbian. However, fandom has a lot of such works but aimed for trans women which is even better. Then we have Sailor Stars and this starts a lot of fights as translation we grown up with was gender fluid one (supposedly they just cross-dressed?).

[erinptah]

For Sailor Moon, I can tell you Takeuchi has been very insistent about Haruka and the Starlights all being women. The series are plenty of characters where it makes sense to interpret them as having some kind of gender issue, but none of it is canon, alas.

Some googling found a lot of anime/manga with trans female characters, but the guys are thin on the ground. There's Wandering Son, and that's about it =/

[digitalghosts]

As everyone hit with childhood nostalgia, we would be a bit wary if Haruka part was true and her romance with her girlfriend being straight.

Afraid there is not many trans women at all... the only one we seen was Seiji (the doctor who was a pianist in 'Detective Conan') and she dies.

Never read 'Wandering Son' but I do know the spoilers of author erasing dude's transness. Forgot all drama surrounding that or why publishers demanded that, or if it was them even.

[(Anonymous)]

Voltron, Overwatch, for a while I ran into a lot of MCU ones.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy Yaoi Hands Batman!

[(Anonymous)]

I think most of the trans headcanon bashing has been exactly what you're complaining about, the headcanon focusing on the ways a character 'doesn't pass' as a 'normal man/woman' which ends up in some really gross territory really fast.

I do vaguely remember way back in the early days of internet slash fandom though when there was a lot of trying to 'prove' how a character could be gay using stereotypes or alternatively playing up "He's not a gay guy, he's normal and manly and he just happened to fall in love with another guy." so I have tentative hopes that if trans headcanons stick around they'll go the same way. "I headcanon Colossus as a trans dude. He kind of reminds me of this really nice bodybuilder at my gym, you know?"

[erinptah]

I tend to assume a lot of this is coming from young trans guys who aren't on T yet themselves (maybe they don't have the money, maybe it isn't socially safe for them to transition, etc). So they're drawn to the male characters they could plausibly look like now. Maybe they don't even know how tall/broad/muscular they could realistically get.

It depends on the setting, too. Is it plausible for the big stereotypically-masculine character to have regular access to testosterone injections? Not always.

I get the frustration, though. And we really need more tall buff guys who are trans in canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Just to offer a different data point, I know three trans guys (one of them very well; he's my brother), and none of them is huge. They range from tall and slender, to short and athletic but not overly muscular, to pocket-sized. And I'm not close enough to two of them for us to discuss sex, but I know my brother is fine with vaginal sex, at least with some of his partners.

The only fanfic featuring trans characters that I've read is the stuff written by my trusted authors, so I've managed to avoid the really stereotypical bullshit, though I don't doubt it's out there. But it's also worth remembering that there's a wide range of trans experiences, and that being smaller or "cuter" or comfortable with vaginal sex doesn't actually make a trans guy any less masculine.