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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-09-14 06:34 pm

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[personal profile] thelesbianfuturist 2016-09-14 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say, I don't get why objectivism is bad. I get why it's bad when taken to the extremes, but that's the case with everything.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2016-09-14 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The idea that there is nothing morally wrong with not helping another person if there is no risk of hurting you and they'll be hurt or even die if you don't? That's pretty offensive to me. Also, "enlightened selfishness" isn't a thing. It is just selfishness. And it doesn't work economically. When companies aren't regulated, they do whatever they can to get the most profit for themselves and screw over everyone else in the process. Objectivism, IMHO, is bad both in theory and in practice.

(Anonymous) 2016-09-14 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think there really is a moderate version of objectivism? It's a pretty extreme ideology.

Also, I think its account of moral clarity and ethics and capitalism and the individuals' relationship to society and all that stuff is just wrong. At the end of the day, when you're implacably opposed to the idea of community or communalism or society, that's not an ideology that I think is either correct or productive.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2016-09-14 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I've heard it said that the band Rush has a moderate Objectivist message. I haven't listened to enough of them to really evaluate them, though.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2016-09-15 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
haha, that would be pretty funny to me, since the one person I know who really likes Rush is pretty liberal (he calls himself moderate/centrist but most of what he says wrt politics is left-leaning)
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2016-09-15 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
By way of example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74 I could argue with it, but it's broad enough that there's only so much arguing you could reasonably do.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2016-09-16 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Eh, that seems pretty vague to me. But idk.

(Anonymous) 2016-09-15 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
I don't follow their music, but they're very active in charities and are interested in practising compassion towards the suffering and unfortunate. Hardly an objectivist attitude.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/members-of-rush-discuss-band-s-long-history-with-charity-junos-1.2274006

(Anonymous) 2016-09-16 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
I think the drummer is the only one who liked her epistemology once upon a time?...