[ SECRET POST #3547 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3547 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Communism is a philosophy that DOESN'T FUCKING WORK, AND NEVER WILL WORK, IN THE WAY THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WIFFLE ON ABOUT HOW IT SURELY WILL IF WE CAN JUST GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE INVOLVED. It will always, always turn out exactly how it always turns out. The scientific method ain't only for purely scientific endeavours. It can also be applied to things like governments. If literally all of the many times communism has been tried have turned almost immediately into horrible repressive anti-individual control freak dictatorships, in all of the wildly diverse cultures and nations where it has been tried, perhaps it is time to recognize that the flaw is in the philosophy itself, rather than "oh we just haven't got the right peeeeeopllllle in charge" or what fucking ever. "Communism is actually a very beneficial philosophy" yeah go and fucking tell that to the former Soviet satellite states and see what they think of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Mainly what has caused attempts to derail is intervention from capitalist nations to inspire resistance for resistance sake with no intent of actually trying it in case it actually does work. There is a lot of big money to be made for a very few number of people by ensuring communism doesn't work.

[ketita]

The only cases I'm familiar with where true communal living basically worked and didn't devolve into shitshows are the kibbutzim, and I think a key factor of them working was the fact that you can opt out if you want to leave. Most of them have privatized by now (another testament to the fact that people fundamentally don't really work in the system), but some still survive, and even get new members.
It's got to be small-scale, though, and having other options is pretty necessary too.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly, It won't work because we aint the Borg, we are not Smurfs, we are humans and most of humanity are greedy self centered little shits.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it has less to do with human nature being inevitably greedy, and more to do with distributed markets being generally more effective at coordinating necessary resources while also being more efficient in terms of resources. You could probably have a planned economy that took fairly good account of human greed.

Also, the actual failure of the actually-existing Soviet Union was probably partly command economy inefficiency, partly that they generally had a really fucked political system and political culture, a little bit nationalism, and a little bit the US threatening them to the point where they felt they had to increase military spending beyond levels they could actually sustain. I mean, like. It's not like socialism was the only problem in the Soviet Union, and in a lot of ways, it's not like they actually did all that good a job with regards to socialist economic organization.

[(Anonymous)]

YES YES FUCKING THIS!

It's a religion and a strict, unforgiving one at that.

If anyone wants to give an example of it WORKING beside little communes, I'm monitoring this thread.

Capitalism expects selfishness, so it goes a lot further in function. It's not pretty (MOAR REGULATIONS PLEASE) but it works. Imagine the iPhone coming from Soviet Russia, it's the antitheses incarnate!

[(Anonymous)]

Well, if having the iphone is your measuring stick for "what works", I guess you will never get it.

"People being fucked over, oppressed and unequal? Fuck that, I have an iphone". Sigh.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for saying this