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fandomsecrets2016-09-19 07:53 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2016-09-19 07:53 pm
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Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)I've had people come up to me at cons thinking I would agree with them when they spouted some racist crap. I gently but firmly made it clear I was not a receptive audience, but I don't really see what else to do? I don't think I can change their mind. I don't really think thoughtcrime should be a thing. They're welcome to be as racist as they want to be... as long as they don't hurt anyone with it. And people will argue that just by existing they're hurting others and it's not an easy answer!
(It's sort of a sensitive topic right now because I signed up for a fic exchange and one of the pairings I signed up for is a 'problematic' one and I've already had people send me nasty messages over it. I haven't even written it, I might not get assigned to write it, but just being open to it makes me a bad person. And I know it's entirely their choice to not like me because of it, but it still stings. It's hard to reconcile 'Yes, this thing is really awful and most people would agree that it's really really awful' vs. the fact people are excellent at convincing themselves that they're 100% justified.
... it's not unrelated that my good friends/family/WORK knows I do fandom things and know my pairings and are entirely cool with it and don't see it as a problem, so I feel confident that even if someone managed to doxx me and contact my workplace about it, my boss would just laugh in their face.)
OP
(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)As far as my own experiences go, there was a racist speaker at my first con - it was a writer I had respected beforehand, and it was a deeply disappointing experience. The con itself quickly disowned his remarks, many of the other con-goers I spoke to were upset by them, and he isn't being invited back. It didn't poison the experience completely, but I was angry and had to hold back from confronting the speaker after his lecture.
(And thank you for the pleasant conversation about this - I'm always nervous when discussing this subject, so it's good to have a friendly one.)
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2016-09-20 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)It's such a tricky subject because it really is hard to decide where to draw the line. Like just racism! To steal a phrase, the only thing two people will agree on about the definition of racism is that a third person has it wrong. I encountered someone on facebook posting a meme that was "The best way to prevent tomorrow's police brutality against black people is to kill all of the blacks today." in complete seriousness, along with a rant about if they wanted to protest people should give them 'something to protest about'. That's FREAKIN SCARY AND VERY RACIST. But where do you draw the line? Is watching Captain America racist because the main character is a white dude? What if you ship Steve/Bucky instead of Steve/Sam, is that racist? Well... racism probably influences people's preferences because we don't develop likes and dislikes in a vacuum, but... What if you then say Steve/Sam shippers are ablest for discriminating against an amputee? Uuuh....
And it's just... messy because it's a messy topic and a lot of squinting at shades of purple and trying to sort them into 'mostly blue' or 'mostly red' and some are going to be easy and some are going to take a judgment call.
So basically my conclusion is that it sounds like supporting what you want in your fandom seems the best way to 'first, do no harm' and thank you again for being willing to listen and discuss this with me. I enjoyed getting to work through some ideas that have kinda been bouncing around a while.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2016-09-27 08:45 am (UTC)(link)