[ SECRET POST #3550 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3550 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Same. Whenever I mention I don't like all the rape and sexual assault in the books, book, (and sometimes tv) fans always go nuts and get on my ass because excessive rape is apparently ""realistic.""
Ignoring the fact that dragons, ice zombies, and decade long seasons exist in the same universe lmao.

[ketita]

Ughhhh that fucking excuse grinds my gears so bad.
Like you said, nothing there is fucking "realistic", so why the rape obsession? (I mean, I know why, it's just gross).
You know what else is realistic? Farting. Diarrhea. Weird stains in underwear. Furuncles. Poor mouth hygiene. Yet somehow we never get tons of loving descriptions of these! Astonishing.

[(Anonymous)]

"You know what else is realistic? Farting. Diarrhea. Weird stains in underwear..."

Exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah exactly! And whenever I bring up the fact that if rape was really so "realistic" in this universe, then why don't men get raped just as much as the other female characters, I'm always met with crickets. Gee, I wonder why.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I was turned off the series because of the incessant rape of female characters. It actually disturbs me that this book series and tv series is lauded in society when it is rape-obsessed.
People said the same thing about the tv series OZ, to which I reply 'Yes it had rape in it a fair amount, but there was a consequence to the rape. The rape was treated as the horrible thing that it is and characters would go seasons still dealing with what happened to them!'
As far as I've seen of GoT, rape is so much a 'of the (fantasy) times' that it is just treated as something women have to put up with.
Also, I honestly don't think it's well written. Rather than having dozens of characters, a good author will combine to have say half a dozen really well written, complex characters IMO

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. I'm not arguing that it's necessarily well-written, but when the entire point of the series is to get a wide scope on continent-spanning strife, that's not something you can actually do with only a handful of characters. You might be able to do the same plot with a small cast, but you'd have to have a much narrower scope to make it work, so it would be a very different story.

It might also be a story you'd like better, but that's a matter of personal preference, not authorial skill.

[(Anonymous)]

Things that actually exist in that series: loving descriptions of diarrhea.

Male rape, though, that's beyond the pale.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol agreed - I got my master's in medieval history, and the "realistic" claim is just so frustrating. It's not any more inherently realistic than the good, selfless hero conquering darkness, it's skewed to the other side. Believe it or not, not all medieval women were raped, not everyone was tortured to death. Sometimes, life was actually okay, just like it was sometimes shitty.

[ketita]

The crazy thing is when you say this to people they get this blank "no way" look. People don't know history for shit.

Is there some research paper titled NO PEOPLE WERE NOT GETTING RAPED ALL DAY IN MEDIEVAL TIMES that I can print and thrust into people's faces whenever this comes up?

[sarillia]

This is the point I've been trying to make with a friend of mine. Generalizations that are skewed toward cynicism are treated as more mature and nuanced than generalizations skewed toward idealism even if there's an equal amount of thought and complexity involved, and it frustrates me.

[(Anonymous)]

Let's not forget all the lovely clean-shaven ladies. So realistic!

[(Anonymous)]

Not in Europe perhaps but in the Middle East they did pluck or scrape off all women's body hair.

[(Anonymous)]

In ancient Egypt, not just the women's. But big parts of ASoIaF are Europe inspired, so it doesn't really fit.

[(Anonymous)]

Dorne is clearly inspired by Spain, which had/has a great deal of influence from the Moors, though. And even in the real world, Europe didn't exist in a vacuum, completely separate from other parts of the world, you know.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm aware, considering I'm from a European city with a black guy as it's patron saint and in its city coat of arms. It's still not realistic that every lady, from the highest ranking queen to the most backwater "barbarian" type is smooth and hairless. It's clearly not a thing done for realism but for the male gazey "ew female body hair" fetish.

[(Anonymous)]

European-inspired, not actually Europe. As evidenced by the ice zombies, dragons, and seasons lasting for decades.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, whatever makes you justify the "oh but every lady is hairless as a newborn" wank fantasy. It's totally done for realism. Not because "body hair on women is icky".