[ SECRET POST #3552 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3552 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's a pattern among who? White people? Honestly all of this sounds like people pointing out a 'lots of white people in Western fandom' problem then trying to apply it to 'all fandom' when it's just not true.

[(Anonymous)]

Among fans. It doesn't have to mean calling particular individuals out. When you look, on a high level, at how popular ships are in fandoms and across fandoms, there is a consistent pattern where ships that include non-white people are less popular than you would 'expect' given the kind of relationship and the size of the fandom. Obviously, that's only one element in the broader question of why people ship what they ship, and no one person is individually responsible for it. But it's also not something that just, like, happened by chance, I don't think.

I agree that it doesn't apply to anime or K-pop or other non-Western fandoms. That's a fair point. But I think it's a pattern that exists in Western fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't feel there's something marginalizing and a little ironic about people insisting "It's a big problem and pattern in fandom" and meaning only Western fandom and usually mostly the white people in them? Especially from people who are supposedly fighting the racists? :\

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's overgeneralizing, sure.

Do you think of anime fandom or k-pop fandom or other non-Western fandoms as a particularly POC-centric space? In terms of the people in them?

[(Anonymous)]

Far more POC there, proportionally, than Western TV or Western video games. Absolutely.

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough. Thasn't been my experience but I trust you.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say that it's POC-centric because it's not that either. There are still always more white people in them than POC because the USA dominates almost English-speaking fandom on the internet and it's predominantly white, but the proportions are less skewed. You'll see looots of people from English-speaking Asian countries in Animanga fandom for example; less so people from Hong Kong who like Jessica Jones. Plus you're watching the media of a different country and less inclined to impose the customs and tropes of your own onto them.

Let's be fair, Animanga fandoms have their own issues. Lots of them. But they're different issues from US TV issues.