[ SECRET POST #3556 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3556 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Lord of the Rings trilogy]



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02.
[pride and prejudice; unnamed others]


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03.
[Endeavour]


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04.
[Tim Curry / Movies: IT, Rocky Horror Picture Show, Clue, Legend]


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06.
[Loud House]


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08.
[MST3K]














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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You can rationalize all you want but the "love redeems him" and the "she's a force of nature who forces him to realize what a bag of dicks he is" are exactly the same narrative.

[(Anonymous)]

I think OP's right that there's a difference. The first is about external redemption - about, like, expiation and forgiveness and mercy and all those themes - where the second one, to me, is more about internal change, about the dude coming to his own awareness and clarity about needing to change. It's a thin distinction and both can be quite bad, but I think there is a difference there.

[philstar22]

I agree. And also, in the second, I find that she's more likely to be a fully fleshed out character and important in her own right whereas with the first, she's more likely to just be there for his journey and her own journey either doesn't happen or doesn't matter.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even think the distinction is thin.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it can be thin at times. I think it depends a lot on how much interiority the characters have, and who has it, and how much access we have to it.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't matter whether it's an external or internal change - it's still all about HIM. It's HIS story. You never find this trope in the reverse. At least the manic pixie dream boy story does show up occasionally.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, the narrative of how the dude changes is fundamentally about the dude, yes. But that's one specific component of the narrative that we're talking about here. It doesn't have to be the whole narrative. And I think, as a general rule, one of these narratives is much more likely to give substantial agency and narrative substance to the female characters perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

So?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude that OP is on some level uncomfortable with the "love redeems him" storyline, for whatever reason.