[ SECRET POST #3556 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3556 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lord of the Rings trilogy]



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[pride and prejudice; unnamed others]


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03.
[Endeavour]


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[Tim Curry / Movies: IT, Rocky Horror Picture Show, Clue, Legend]


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[Loud House]


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[MST3K]














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Comments

[caerbannog]

So I watched Pride, Prejudice and Zombies last night...and even in this rendition, I still cannot pinpoint the moment Darcy has supposedly changed internally and for the better, or where Elizabeth recognises this.

Darcy just drives me nuts, I hate that he "gets the girl" in the end because I don't see why or how he has changed to suddenly become suitable. He seems very little difference to me. Maybe this carries over from remembered frustration and irritation at P&P in english class where the teacher waxed lyrical over Darcy and all I could think was "he's a fucking unpleasant dick" the entire time.

AAAHHHH *launches off your secret*

[(Anonymous)]

Er... maybe it's because the point is that he hasn't changed internally. There's even a conversation about it in chapter 41 between Wickham and Elizabeth.

"How long did you say he was at Rosings?"
"Nearly three weeks."
"And you saw him frequently?"
"Yes, almost every day."
"His manners are very different from his cousin's."
"Yes, very different. But I think Mr. Darcy improves upon acquaintance."
"Indeed!" cried Mr. Wickham with a look which did not escape her. "And pray, may I ask?—" But checking himself, he added, in a gayer tone, "Is it in address that he improves? Has he deigned to add aught of civility to his ordinary style?—for I dare not hope," he continued in a lower and more serious tone, "that he is improved in essentials."
"Oh, no!" said Elizabeth. "In essentials, I believe, he is very much what he ever was."
While she spoke, Wickham looked as if scarcely knowing whether to rejoice over her words, or to distrust their meaning. There was a something in her countenance which made him listen with an apprehensive and anxious attention, while she added:
"When I said that he improved on acquaintance, I did not mean that his mind or his manners were in a state of improvement, but that, from knowing him better, his disposition was better understood."

I don't mean to say there's absolutely zero change in Darcy, but like Elizabeth said, in essentials, he's the same honorable man he always was. It's just that Elizabeth's prejudices about his behavior clouded her judgment. The point is, Elizabeth finds out that what she believes is an irrational dislike of Wickham is entirely rational and justified, since Wickham came very close to ruining Darcy's sister's reputation and marrying her for her fortune. She believes him to be prideful, and it's true, he is... but not unreasonably so, since he discloses Georgiana's affair (something that could still ruin her, btw) to Elizbaeth, he's not snobbish to her aunt and uncle Gardiner, and he unbends his pride quite a lot to track down Wickham, pay off Wickham's debts and see that Wickham marries Lydia so she is not ruined (and her family ruined with her).

Darcy "proves" himself by showing Elizabeth that he's willing to fight on behalf of people he doesn't even like, for her sake, without hope of reward from her at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Some of the finer points in characterization in P&P are, I think, obscured somewhat because of the great changes in society/manners in the 200 years since publication. Elizabeth calls out his deficiencies as a gentleman when she rejects him at Easter, and when she meets him unexpectedly in the summer his behavior has changed for the better -- he's less standoffish/antisocial, less class-based condescension, more personal responsibility for the repercussions of his actions.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbf, P&P&Z is kind of a mess when it comes to Darcy and Elizabeth's relationship; it skips (or condenses so much as to be confusing) several important developments. (I had to laugh that they did have time for a homage to Colin Firth's pond scene, though.)

[(Anonymous)]

But isn't Darcy the true villain of P&P&Z?

Granted, I wasn't paying that much attention when I watched it, because I really, really hated it. But close to the end, aren't there zombies who are getting better, getting some of their mental faculties back. And they are all peaceful sitting in a church, and then Darcy kinda forcefeeds them human brains and returns them to their 'savage' state. I was actually really shocked the film went there. Although, yeah, I might have missed some of the finer points.

[arcadiaego]

I think it was just badly written - we were meant to think Darcy was doing the right thing by 'proving' they could never be normal. Actually he just ruined everything.

[(Anonymous)]

So that actually happened? But that's like making recovering sick people sick again to prove they will always be sick. :O What a fucking dickhead, OMG. I half-thought I made that up, because I was admittedly more concerned about my wine and my snacks than the movie.

[(Anonymous)]

The only good thing about PP&Z was Mr.Collins