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⌈ Secret Post #3558 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Crossovers!

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Partly inspired by Phillstar22's reply:

I have real issue about crossing sci-fi shows and fantasy shows, because it always ends up with a conflict in the basic ideology of how the world works. The best example I can bring up is SuperWhoLock, which is basically a fantasy series, a sci-fi seeries, and a detective series piled together.
Doctor Who always takes fantasy ideas and gives them a sci-fi technobabble explanation, like gods are not really "gods", just very, very powerful entities, demons and angels are likewise, often with some sort of "well they're an ancient species from early in the development of the universe" background. Psychic ability may exist but once again given sci-fi technobabble reasons. Creatures like vampires and werewolves are usually aliens or diseases (usually alien diseases at that).
SPN is based on a very religio-fantasy basic - there is a God, there are angels, demons, a Heaven, a Hell, a Purgatory. There is magic, and vampires, werewolves, and they exist due to magic.

The cross of those two principals always ends up with one explanation trumping the other, and often it ends up being smug about it.

Now the Sci-fi/proceedural or fantasy/proceedural crosses, they can work better, because often it's the ordinary police investigators (or in Sherlock crosses, ordinary but super-intelligent detective) discovering somethign outside their previous knowledge - like finding out there is a Maic World living right alongside them, or meeting a time-traveling alien. That works because the ordinary factor often can be the audience avatar.


Now that is to say there aren't some crosses that can work - I tend to think Harry Potter can cross with a lot of present-day sci-fi settings - hell I have a bookmark for a HP/Avengers cross where Harry is Thor's son, from a previous "Banish Thor to teach him humility" attempt, where he was incarnated on Earth as a baby James Potter.
I also think Mass Effect is a good cross with fantasy, maybe because ME feels like Dragon Age IN SPACE!, something that may come from the fact that it is DA's Bioware sibling, and also that biotics just sound like a way to sci-fi technobabble magic. Also, I feel that ME/DA crosses work just fine.

On the other hand, I think LotR does not do well as a direct crossover with almost anything. I really dislike "Modern Girl Falls Into Middle Earth" narratives, and that extends to a lot of fictional settings - like I can't accept Harry Potter in Middle Earth.
Of course I will acknowledge I have a headcanon that is "Middle Earth Girls Fall Into Another World (Thedas)", but en=ven then some canons I can't quite work out how that would work (I have tried to work out how my Silmaril muses could fit into Baldur's Gate - it doesn't work).

LotR works better, IMO, as a reincarnation set-up. That ends up more "Normal Person Discovers (remembers) Something Unusual" in narrative.

Re: Crossovers!

[dethtoll]

To be fair to Mass Effect, Bioware also worked on the original Star Wars KOTOR and the plot was more or less the then-latest recycling of a basic outline they've been using since Baldur's Gate.

Re: Crossovers!

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Maybe the story formula goes right back to Baldur's Gate, but I feel Baldur's Gate falls closer to LotR in my opinion, because I think Dungeons and Dragons is as crossable as LotR - at least when crossing it with outside works. Internal crosses between D&D worlds - like characters from Krynn ended up in Faerûn works because they are on the same level - hell BG2 did exactly that, with some Knights of Solamnia (Krynn, Dragonlance) in the Planar Sphere (BG is Forgotten Realms), or characters from either of those worlds visiting Sigil.

But a character from Modern Earth ending up in Faerûn? Well I have seen a couple of good ones (though the Buffy one was more "The Scoobies get downloaded into the computer game" than actual dimensional travel), but a writer would have to handle it extremely well to avoid the pitfalls of "Ordinary Girl Falls Into Magic World" plot.