[ SECRET POST #3560 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3560 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Eh. There are a lot of edge cases between the two, and there's a huge crossover in fandom, in writers, and in the industry.

I mean, if nothing else, separating sci-fi and fantasy would dramatically increase the number of dumb jokes where nerds insist that Star Wars should count as fantasy. So it's worth avoiding on those grounds alone.

[deird1]

My husband and I are in total disagreement about what counts as sci-fi and what counts as sci-fi. How do you know you wouldn't have to check both categories anyway, for people who had different definitions to you?

[kallanda_lee]

I think there's a hue overlap: both in the genre itself, as in the people who read it.

[(Anonymous)]

Well. Simply put sci-fi is fantasy set in the future. Both genres want to explore and put our values and moral to the test in fictional worlds. Sci-fi might be more into stylizing while fantasy is more about embroidering, but they're still something like incestuous siblings.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this. Especially since the state of modern science is itself blurring the edges of what we would call fantasy and SF. People who rant about the difference between sf and fantasy works are usually just engineering students whose idea of porn is reading a haynes manual. That or they just want an opportunity to claim they are smarter than someone else by fellating a physics textbook. There is still plenty of Gernsbackian stuff out there is they want to get their slide rules out.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a slightly better way of getting at the same idea is to think of science fiction and fantasy as both being modes of speculative fiction.

Because they do perform a lot of similar functions - in the way that you outline here - but as distinct modes of speculative fiction, the difference between them is a little more complex and a little more involved than "one is set in the future and one has magic". And it's good to preserve that sense.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I think it's more "one involves science, the other involves magic", because I don't think all sci-fi is set in the future.

[(Anonymous)]

oooh, a hidden hard sci-fi troll! 1/10 for the disguise.

[(Anonymous)]

They're basically the same thing.

Sci-fi is just technological magic and fantasy is magic magic.

[(Anonymous)]

Not realllllly.

[(Anonymous)]

if you're definition of fantasy is Tolkienism High Fantasy and your definition of science fiction is Asmovian, sure, okay. You be you.

Those tropes were nice back in the sixties but we've moved on. Speculative fiction has lots of genres, some very poorly defined that are on this scale between fantasy and science fiction. There is a lot of room for creativity and I think we're better off for it.

I'm sorry you can't find what you want easily. It's not going to stop me from writing my in the future where the vehicles float, werewolves who are infected with some sort of virus that subverts werewolf tropes and labeling science fiction or fantasy because it is science fantasy. (Just because werewolves apparently.)

[(Anonymous)]

*hifives* I have written stories with werewolves in space. Where do I shelve those?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, pal, your genres cancel each other out, so you're left with just general fiction. Better luck next time!

[(Anonymous)]

It's all fantasy. One portion is just more sciencey and male and makes itself out like it's more serious and worthwhile to compensate for turning into zeerust after ten years or so.

[(Anonymous)]

A ridiculous opinion

[(Anonymous)]

argue that speculative fiction all belongs in the same shelf all you want but fuck off with your "more sciency and male" bullshit. Not true, never has been.

A lot of sci-fi has fantastical elements

[(Anonymous)]

The Force (Star Wars), the Prophets (Star Trek), Ascension (Stargate), etc.

Though I wouldn't say the opposite is true.

Re: A lot of sci-fi has fantastical elements

[(Anonymous)]

Absolutely is. Just think of those fantasy series with an elaborately worked out, precisely detailed magical system that's consistently followed to the last detail.

[(Anonymous)]

Where would that leave a series like Dragonriders of Pern, where there are dragons, but with a science-y background?