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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-10-23 03:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #3581 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3581 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-10-23 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's just sort of the general way fandom is though. Everything has to be black and white. When in reality it's more

A + B is greater than or less than C + B

Where A is how 'bad' you feel the action is
B is everything else involving the character/situation.
and C is how 'justified' you think the action is. And those are all really REALLY subjective.

So add to the fact most of the fans of MLP and SU (and to an extent, HP) are FAR more likely to empathize with the mentored rather than the mentor and you get someone who's going to pile on the points to A and subtract them from C for everything.

Where as when you're older you're more likely to believe that sometimes people in charge screw up because they're people, not because they hate kids and bathe nightly in the tears of their suffering.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
Also I think something that people fail to understand about more nuanced characters is that they're acting from their own perspectives and experiences. As the viewer, we see further back. We see perspectives from many different characters and points in time. Of course having all that extra knowledge, we can form better opinions.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. I think it also ties into the human tendency to assume if you don't know why someone does something, it's something bad and it's something personal.

Like if the checkout person is cold to you at the store, if asked why they think she's not being friendly most people will go "They're a jerk." or "They must not like me." and not "They must be having a really bad day, I hope things improve for them."

So Character does something that you as a viewer don't like, it's easy to take it personally and decide they're a jerk?

I mean look at the Dumbledore discussion, isn't it just as likely that Dumbledore didn't recognize the Dursley's behavior as abusive? I mean bring up any article on spanking causing worse school performance and people will come screaming out of the woodwork that their parents loved them and their parents spanked them so there is NO WAY spanking could possibly be harmful to anyone. Or when Tangled was popular and we had all the Tangled secrets and discussion with people arguing wholeheartedly that Mother Gothel's behavior was healthy normal loving behavior for a mother. You can't really look at that and know 100% for sure that Dumbledore saw the Dursley's behavior as monstrous and still just dropped Harry off with them without giving a single shit (or with hoping that an abused child would be more easily manipulated for his own ends)

(Anonymous) 2016-10-24 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect you would find very few people who would argue that keeping a child in an unfinished cupboard full of spiders in a multi-storey house is perfectly acceptable. There is a decent argument for Dumbledore not paying attention to the situation because he thought Petunia wouldn't abuse her own nephew. Saying he wouldn't realize that treating Harry like a Dickensian orphan was abusive just makes him sound crazy.