[ SECRET POST #3586 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3586 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Katya Zamolodchikova/Rupaul's Drag Race ]


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Comments

[ariakas]

Is it weird that this is virtually all children's stuff/YA and anime/JRPGs? Or is that just the media you usually consume?

[(Anonymous)]

Oddly enough, I consume about equal amounts of Western and Eastern media, but I had a much harder time trying to come up with Western media that featured women saving men than I did Eastern media. I honestly can't think of any LA TV shows I've watched in the past few years where that's been a thing, yet I can name at least two anime that have featured it.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I forgot another Western example - King's Quest IV is about Princess Rosella trying to find a magical fruit to save her father. But beyond what I listed... nope, I'm drawing a blank. I see women saving or avenging far more often in Eastern media than I do Western.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'm not that anon but they raise a good point, I see far more of the headstrong girlfriend/woman rescues boyfriend/man trope in eastern media than western media.

Of course there are far fewer hypermasculine grizzled musclebound 30-40something men o' war as main characters in eastern media to begin with, so it may be the elevation of that particular kind of character that's crowding everything else out. If that's supposedly the male ideal, can't have men being rescued, that's unseemly!

[(Anonymous)]

Reminds me of how Nier had two versions of the protagonist, one for Japan and one for western audiences. Shit's gotten meta.

[(Anonymous)]

You're doing an awful lot of goalpost moving here so you don't have to admit that there actually are several plots with your specifications...

[ariakas]

Wait, what? Where did I refuse to admit that these were indeed examples of the opposite? I asked you if you saw the same pattern in same examples as I did.

[(Anonymous)]

anon listed a dozen examples of women rescuing or avenging men and your immediate response was "they're all ya or anime" as if that somehow invalidated them. if anything, i would say that's pretty big indicator that western audiences have trouble with the concept of a man needing to be saved.

[ariakas]

No, it wasn't "as if that somehow invalidated them", it was a salient observation that they shared a common theme. A theme which has persisted throughout the other examples given, even. It wasn't a denial that they were valid; in no possible way or reading was that even remotely implied.

Holy christ on a cracker people read whatever the fuck they want to read into any given statement on the internet, eh?

DA

[(Anonymous)]

It's probably because your "Is that the media you usually consume?" comes off as more than a little judgey, whether you meant it that way or not.

Re: DA

[ariakas]

How in the fuck is that "judgey" and not a relevant question when trying ascertain the origin of a common theme? If it's just the media they usually consume, then it might not be an East-West thing. If they consume media from a wide variety of sources, yet all of the examples they can come up with are from a narrow set of genres, then genre is more relevant.

I reiterate: Jesus fucking christ on a cracker.

I don't give a single flying shit if people like anime and JRPGs and YA. I enjoy the first two myself.

Stop being so defensive about what media you like read words.

[ariakas]

Even more interestingly, the other examples offered below are all anime/JRPGs too.