[ SECRET POST #3588 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3588 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Nostalgia's nostalgia, preferences are preferences, but I'm damned if I can see anything that was actually better about it

[(Anonymous)]

There were far fewer idiots in fandom, fewer trends and bandwagons, no competition for who was the "best fan," fewer trolls, and zero shaming.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

LOLOLOL no competition for who was the best fan? Where the hell do you think BNFs came from?

[(Anonymous)]

In the olden days there were no BNF's, not where I was hanging out, like on the Buffy bulletin board. It was all text-based, no images, no fan creations. Sure there was that guy who was smarter and more eloquent, but if anyone kowtowed to him, I certainly didn't notice.

[(Anonymous)]

So just to be clear, we're explicitly generalizing about all of old school fandom based on your particular experience with a single site?

[(Anonymous)]

To be clear, you're damned if you can see anything that was actually better about it, but I'm not.

What old school fandoms were you in, and when?

[(Anonymous)]

Ok, in like, pre-1990s, BNFdom wasn't really A Possible Thing, given the geographically self-limiting nature of BBSes, but that was *such* a different time.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, BNFdom was still a thing in the days of BBSes. It was a thing in the days of 'zines and occasional fan conventions. It was probably a thing back when fans were wearing armbands to mourn the death of Sherlock Holmes, we just don't have anyone around now who can confirm. It might've looked a little different at different points in time, but BNFdom is just a manifestation of normal human social maneuvering, so it's always going to be a part of fandom in some capacity.

[(Anonymous)]

It was a thing but the big names were smaller, and it was harder to achieve. Mostly you needed to already be a name in something else first. In Trek fandom, for example, the BNFs were people who tended to have a link to the production crew to start with. Or you had to have a real talent for organizing stuff and putting it together, you couldn't just have a loud personality.

[(Anonymous)]

There were less attempts to bully people into commiting suicide. Far less attempts.

So even if that's the only reason someone prefers fandom the way it used to be, I'd say it's reason enough.

And no, I'm not talking about hypothetical things I've heard about, I'm talking about things that took place on my dash. There was always bullying in fandom but it never was as brutal and widespread as nowadays.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't see anything that was better about it? The amount of bullying and entitlement with people going to the creators and actors is awful. Like in Voltron fandom with the whole fuss over the shipping and the person on the show who drew something and made a reference to a ship that people didn't like. Or the people who harassed the SOs of the Js from Supernatural because how dare they be in a relationship. Or the people who harassed a person in the SU so much that they attempted suicide. Sure, in the past there were BNFs, and people wrote to TPTB and things, but it is so much more now. The perceived closeness to TPTB and actors that social media has given and the immediacy and potential echo chamber of some of these platforms has had some good effects, but it also has had a lot of negatives as well.

[(Anonymous)]

There was still bullying, FFS.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt, but the ayrt didn't say there was no bullying, they said "The amount of bullying and entitlement...is awful." They conceded that those things happened before "but it is so much more now."

Just pointing that out, since you seemed to have missed it.