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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-10-30 03:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #3588 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3588 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Alternatively, if you tell a friend it'd be fun to get together some time, and they go and arrange a day trip somewhere you hate or an event you can't stand... yeah, I'd say it's understandable not to waste your money on it.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
IA. But that analogy doesn't work for the scenario OP describes. OP's friends don't say, "It'd be fun if you wrote a book!" They told OP that they should write the book and they'd buy it and read it. If you tell your friend, "You should get concert tickets for Beyonce and if you do, we'll go as a group and I'll pay you back!" and then you buy the tickets and your friends ignore you... wow.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Again, that analogy is too specific. OP's friends enjoyed their fanfic and said they'd be interested in reading their original fic if it got published (the "you should get concert tickets" part). But:

A) OP was not writing and publishing a novel solely for their friends' benefit; they were writing it because, one assumes, they wanted to write it.

B) why the assumption that OP provided a 'Beyonce' novel? They could just as easily have been, for example, a slash fic writer who wrote het original fic. If their friends read and love their slash fic (say, 'Beyonce'), why the heck would they pay money for het (say, 'Metallica', or some other different-genre artist)?

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
" OP's friends enjoyed their fanfic and said they'd be interested in reading their original fic if it got published"

I'm looking at the text of the secret. It does not say they'd be "interested". It said they'd "buy it and read it". Also:

A) How do you know, unless you're the OP? OP hasn't stated their motivation for writing it. It'd be a bad idea to write a novel just because your friends told you that you ought to, but hey, people do stuff for bad reasons all the time.

B) There's no obligation, no. But you tell someone you'll do something as a gesture of support, you should do it. If you think there might be conditions that make you disinclined to spend a whole dollar purely as a gesture of support, then don't tell someone you'll do it.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
A) Well, sure. But if you're throwing away months of your time on a whim solely because someone else said you should, can you really blame them if it turns out to be wasted? It's not like "I'd buy that" is a down-payment or anything, and that's a whole lot of investment on what is ultimately an expression of passing interest. If that really was OP's sole motivation for spending months or more on something, that's their arrogance and they deserve what they get.

B) Saying you would do something isn't the same as saying you absolutely 100% will. Again, it's an expression of interest, not a down-payment, and a gesture of encouragement that, rightly or wrongly, they thought would be appreciated in the moment they gave it. People don't tend to put that much forward-thought into their supportive gestures.
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-10-30 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
This seems like splitting hairs to me. Are you lawyer!anon or something?

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't this the main purpose of F!S (besides trolling)? What are you dong here?

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
DONG

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
More DONG is exactly what this thread needed.

(Anonymous) 2016-10-30 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I endorse this product or service
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-10-30 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
-1
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[personal profile] caerbannog 2016-10-31 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
You killed this thread, I was enjoying reading it :(
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[personal profile] crossy_woad 2016-10-31 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Enjoying the pile-on? Huh.
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[personal profile] caerbannog 2016-10-31 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Seemed an even debate between anons to me?

(Anonymous) 2016-10-31 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
A) The discussion here isn't about whether or not it's a dumb idea. I agree that if OP wrote a book solely because their friends told them to, that's not the greatest motive. But the fact is, you don't know what OP's reasoning was, unless you're the OP.

B) Again, that's also not the discussion. Never once did I say that saying you'll do something automatically means you will. What I did say is that IF you tell a friend you're going to do something, you should do it. If you are not inclined to actually do something, then you shouldn't tell a friend that you will. I'm not sure why this is such a controversial concept.