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Yeah but the ranting will come from marginalized people being frustrated about people profiting from their marginalization. So like...

About *other* people benefiting from their marginalization. That is how it always works, surrounding every marginalized people there are a bunch of scam artists and hucksters from that group who get rich by helping whitey make media about their group. Take the JK Rowling thing, the loudest voices criticizing her were from the Native Americans involved in the industry which profits most from native media appearances, and which was pissed she hadn't paid them to help her exploit the Indian.

Do you think there's ever a case where there are legitimate complaints, or people who are legitimately complaining? Or is it - to your mind - all race hustlers?

I take things on a case-by-case basis, but usually even in the occasions where something genuinely is offensive the people who are entitled to be offended get drowned out by the hustlers who bring it all back to the money they feel should be coming their way. I've seen too many causes get hijacked by those out to make a fast buck, and just because they are BAME doesn't mean that they won't try and make that buck off their fellow BAME person.

So do you think there's any case where behaviors should be changed, or where there are problems that should be addressed? Or are the race hustlers so pervasive that any attempt to change things is necessarily counterproductive?

I think any attempt to change which does not shut down the hustlers and the mob the hustlers whip up first is doomed to change. A lot of progress in the civil rights movement, for example, was made only after the black people shutdown the people that they themselves considered niggers in order that the movement was taken seriously and could not be dismissed as a bunch of hustlers on the make. The Native American movement needs to do the same with the knowledge for hire brokers and the casino owners who are more into generating cash than passing it on to the tribal members.

A lot of progress in the civil rights movement, for example, was made only after the black people shutdown the people that they themselves considered niggers in order that the movement was taken seriously and could not be dismissed as a bunch of hustlers on the make.

Do you have any sources for this interpretation of civil rights history? Who do you have in mind as some examples of "people that they themselves considered niggers"?

Also, why do you think that it's impossible for there to be some change that's positive, even if it also benefits a hustler, or satisfies a mob?

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As usual, most of the people whining are white Americans, though.

And the thing is; the original character is a terrible racial stereotype...let's be honest, there'd be wank no matter what they did with it.

This. The original character had plenty of racist stereotyping to begin with, and there would have been major wank ofer them to begin with. I can understand why people are upset, but I can also understand why Marvel made the decisions that they did. They're in this business to make money, and they can make a lot more of it if the movie is allowed to open in China.

Or from a bunch of babies who whine about anything. Because all the people I see whining about out are white people. Just like whenever shit like this happens it is always white people complaining while actual POC are like, "We don't give a shit."

I strongly suspect that if I found some POCs who objected to the same thing, it would not change your opinion.

Depends on who they are, tbh. Just like when Avril Lavigne released her Hello Kitty video and Americans (including Asian-Americans) were trying to lecture the Japanese about how offended they should be by it.

I think, as long as you can find one POC out there who agrees that something is inoffensive, you're always going to think of that as a trump card.

Wasn't one person, in this case, was just about every Japanese person who was asked/who commented on it.

I'm really not that interested in arguing about the Avril Lavigne case again. I just don't care that much about it.

And missing that the Japanese are probably the closest group in the world to having white privilege. If you went to Japan as a white, you'd find that you don't have white privilege there at all, whites are just another bunch of foreigners regardless of how big a noise we are back home.

If you want to know what it is like to be black in America, be white in Japan. You can be a nice novelty to show off, if you know enough Japanese and are pretty/handsome enough, or a goofy clown that everyone won't mind tolerating in order to enjoy your Homer Simpson-esque blundering if you don't. Then you do something that attracts legal attention, or want something that isn't being generously given to you (or are not properly grateful), then you are in for it. Oh, big time.

The better defense here, for the Avril Lavigne thing, is that it's a confusing situation where the Japanese context is fundamentally different from the Asian-American context, and where something was made that was intended for one of those contexts, but because of globalization, wasn't limited to it

I mean, at the very least, it doesn't require trying to parse specifically Japanese understandings of race, so that's something

This whole rant doesn't change the fact that Americans were talking over the members of a certain culture that they weren't feeling the appropriate amount of outrage at this filthy evil culturally appropriative music video.

+1.

"Americans were talking over the members of a certain culture that they weren't feeling the appropriate amount of outrage"

Perfectly stated. That whole thing was interesting to watch.

Man I have a bunch of friends who are Japanese (I lived and taught there for a while) and they all LOVED that video. They were very confused that some people thought it was offensive because it was pretty much the greatest thing in the world to them.

Yeah. It ain't blackface, it is Carlton Banks. Japanese people loved it for the same reason white folks loved Carlton.

Yeah? Well they will just have to content with the extra salt in knowing that the movie will probably do amazingly well in China. It's already making monster money in territories like Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, and Thailand.

/an Asian person living in Asia who is going to see DS this veeeeery night

Are there even any movie theaters in the Tibetan Autonomous Region, or Nepal? I don't think there are in Bhutan either.

By the same token, I doubt too many of the complainers were Tibetan natives.

As a side note, I was on holiday in Bhutan just this summer! No movie theater, but you certainly don't miss it while there, dang. Alas, lacking cosmic foresight, I neglected to ask anyone there to share their opinions on Doctor Strange casting.

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