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Many look at Hillary with distrust but all of those I've known personally are for reasons other than that she is a woman. I've never heard anyone say they distrust her based on her gender--I'm sure they exist somewhere but I've heard a lot of people who distrust her in person for a lot of different reasons and it hasn't been her gender so far.

It's not exactly fair to say all Americans distrust Hillary because she is a woman, and also not fair to say they are sexist if they distrust Hillary for any reason.

It is entirely possible that someone would distrust Hillary for reasons rooted in the fact that she's a woman, while never explicitly saying that it's because she's a woman.

Well, duh. Give me some credit here, I'm not some idiot that can't tell when something is sexism with another name.

However, naming things like Clinton Foundation donations from Saudi Arabia, her $250k speeches, the way she colluded with her Super PACs and the bias of the DNC, and her admiration and approval of Kissinger are not related to her gender and those are the most common reasons I hear. Maybe they could somehow in some convoluted way lead back to her having a vagina but somehow I don't these reasons are rooted in that.

Plus, most of them are voting for Stein or holding their nose and voting for Hillary even if they don't trust her. Distrust is rampant, don't equate distrust of Hillary with a vote for Trump.

I'm the person from below who said it was a double standard. Let's just look at a couple of your points.

Clinton's charity. You are aware, I hope, that Clinton's charity is miles better than Trump's right?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/Charity-watchdog-compares-Clinton-Trump-foundations.html
"Specifically, Trump listed nearly 3,000 rounds of golf as charitable gifts, even though some of the golf passes were given to his business clients and wealthy celebrities."
"“There are no instances I know of where Clinton was doing the bidding of a donor or benefactor,” former New York Times editor Jill Abramson recently concluded, as she pushed back on the media’s conventional wisdom about Clinton being untrustworthy."
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/16/the_charity_double_standard_partner/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-retooled-his-charity-to-spend-other-peoples-money/2016/09/10/da8cce64-75df-11e6-8149-b8d05321db62_story.html
"Donald Trump spent more than a quarter-million dollars from his charitable foundation to settle lawsuits that involved the billionaire’s for-profit businesses, according to interviews and a review of legal documents."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-used-258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/2016/09/20/adc88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
The NY Attorney General's office has even opened an investigation into Trump's charity http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/new-york-attorney-general-opens-inquiry-into-trump-foundation-228125

Oh, and getting 250k for a speech? You are aware that Trump can make up to 1.5 million for a speech, right? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washingtons-highest-lowest-speaking-fees/story?id=24551590 and http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-donald-trump-makes-speaking-fees-compared-everyone-else-2015-8

And I don't feel like doing more research, as those alone should be enough to show there is a double standard. Clinton is crucified for something Trump actually does. I'm sure it has nothing to do with gender or anything.

My reply to you below is the same one as I'll make here.

Them distrusting Hillary doesn't mean they trust Trump, though? Why are you making that leap? It's not a double standard if they don't trust both, and all of them don't trust both.

And again, many of them are voting for Stein or Hillary. Distrust doesn't mean they won't vote for her. It means they don't trust her. They can easily believe that Trump is worse. It's not all black and white and Good and Evil, chill out.

Except you get reasons of distrust for Clinton that if they were about a male candidate wouldn't likely be an issue. I mean, hell, just look at the fact so many people are going after Clinton for being a "rapist apologist" for support of Bill when Trump has actually been accused of rape (and has admitted to sexual assault with the grabbing of pussies). Like WTF, that is such a double standard. Or look at the email mess. Yes, Clinton shouldn't have hosted her emails on her private (secure!) server, but Colin Powell used his Blackberry on a separate (unsecured) server and how much shit did he get for it? The answer would be none. Or even just attitudes. Like when people say that if a woman does something, she is called a "bitch" whereas if a guy did the same thing, he'd be called a "leader". There is a reason for people saying it, and you can see it with the way Clinton has been treated.

Them distrusting Hillary doesn't mean they trust Trump, though? Why are you making that leap? It's not a double standard if they don't trust both, and all of them don't trust both.

loooooooooots of people who like Trump cite Hillary's emails as one of the first reasons if not the first reason they don't like her.

Quoting my original post: "Many look at Hillary with distrust but all of those I've known personally are for reasons other than that she is a woman."

You can claim to know them better than I do and that all these liberal POC that distrust Clinton secretly love Trump, but I'm not buying it.

Yes because most people are going to admit being sexist. The email scandal wss just something they could use as an excuse. If it hadn't been that, it would've been something else...but they'd never admit itvwas because she was a woman.

But some of them voted for Stein... who is a woman. And most would have voted for Stein if they had not held their noses and voted for Hillary.

I'm done with this argument, there's no way to convince anyone who believes every reason, no matter what reason or evidence that points otherwise, must come from a place of internalized misogyny. That is like attempting to prove God doesn't exist to a believer.

I am not talking about the people you know.

Edited 2016-11-09 15:20 (UTC)

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