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I am sitting here wondering what the actual fuck is wrong with half the population of our country that they think a racist, sexist narcissist should be president of the USA.

Simple. They evidently don't believe he IS racist or sexist. Way too many people responded to the whole thing with his nasty comments about women on that tape with, "Guys talk like that all the time!"

And anytime he rants about Mexicans or women or the "mainstream media" or stuff like that, he's just "telling it like it is" and "not being PC".

It's pretty simple, actually.

-Either they don't think he's actually racist/sexist, just a guy who says dumb things a lot OR they don't care that he is and/or care less about him being racist/sexist than other issues

-The Democrats have done a really good job over the past decade of shitting all over independents and the right-leaning half of the country. This goes beyond the usual "anyone who lives in the country and goes to church is automatically a backwards hick" rhetoric. Clinton literally said that Trump supporters are "deplorable" and the DNC and the left-wing press have had a field day calling Trump supporters Nazis etc. Rather than courting voters who might have been on the fence they all but insured that those voters would go to Trump or stay third party. Plus a lot of Bernie Bros were really disillusioned, especially once the DNC fuckery shit leaked and we had top officials recorded saying they were screwing with the campaign.

-They've both been involved in scandals, but very different kinds. Trump's have been shady tax and business dealings and charity fraud. Clinton's have been treason, pedo islands, rumors of murders, etc.

Voters were deciding between an orange sleezy scumbag and a shady crook. Neither were good choices. But while Trump was making it a point to make queer people feel welcome at his rallies and giving shout-outs to hardworking Hispanic immigrants, Hillary was calling people not in her camp "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic".

I voted Hillary because I care more about the SCOTUS than the POTUS, but it's really interesting how many people just don't understand how Trump could win.

The second point is actually an important thing that I can see happening in other countries where right wing parties are getting stronger again as well.
If people stopped demonising and insulting the potential voters of the opposition, they might be more inclined to listen to their points.

Yeah, Trump wasn't voted into power by the KKK. He was voted into power by Joe the farmer who sees local boys out of work in favor of immigrant workers being paid $3/day, or grandma Betsy who's spent 80 years hearing that gay sin was bad and now isn't sure wtf is going on.

I'm a dirty gay foreigner, and a socialist comrade, too, so I don't get to see it from their perspective. But virtually everyone I know irl was pulling for Trump and it wasn't bc they thought he was great. It was more like that was thee only candidate they could vote for, because they weren't some hip young city-slicker. Trump reached out to them with the message that they could make America great again (sort of like when many of these same people supported Obama and his message of hope). Hillary's campaign took the opposite approach and told them they were scum.

I'm hearing a lot of "Why did you make me hit you?" regarding Trump supporters and "Democrats" (read: people who try to talk factually about Donald Trump.) When literal Nazis are supporting a candidate because he furthers their agenda, that needs to be a part of the discussion, and blaming the people who tried to point that out is just as facetious as when people argued that Gamergate wouldn't have been so sexist if people hadn't pointed out all the sexism in the movement.

ia that people should've pointed out the literal Nazi's supporting Trump. But the problem is there's a big gulf between 'woah dude Nazi's are endorsing you wtf' and 'you like Trump? But Trump is literally Hitler! You must be a Nazi!"

Both sides have creepy shitty people supporting them. But it's important not to make the jump from 'PETA supports Clinton' to 'every Clinton supporter wants to murder our pets.' Unfortunately much of the rhetoric on our side was very counter-productive.

Trump being elected is just a sympton, with the sickness being the collective USAmerican state of mind.

What is this comment.

Trump is going to court for rape and fraud, the "pedo ring" bullshit was literally pulled out of someone's ass and quickly debunked, and the "rumors of murders" is literally a list of people she knows who happen to have died (a long list because high-profile politicians know a fuckton of people). What is this nonsense that her "scandals" (read: smear campaign) have more weight than the things he's actually been indicted for??

And come on when someone calls you (general you) a Nazi in all seriousness if your first priority is being offended over being called a Nazi rather than examining the racism coming out of your mouth it is your fault.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I'm just saying that was the general discussion I saw leading up to the election. In people's minds Trump was just some sort of sleazeball, while Hillary is some sort of Eyes Wide Shut character.

For people in Trump's camp, him going to court over those things is proof that he's less crooked than Hillary, who was cleared without ever going to court. If that makes any sense.

No, I think for most people in the US, who hate Nazis and hate everything they represent, the first reaction should be "shut the fuck up, people who disagree with you aren't automatically Nazis." Someone who's worried about illegal immigration, or BLM riots, or welfare fraud, or the lack of Christian values isn't a Nazi. They're just a regular person working off a different set of info than you.

The Democrats have a serious problem now. You can't say more than half the country is the worst kind of bigot (anyone who supported Trump, and anyone who was on the fence), and then turn around and expect them to vote for you.

I guess it makes sense if you believe the wild conspiracy theories that the courts won't prosecute her because...reasons.

You can't say more than half the country is the worst kind of bigot (anyone who supported Trump, and anyone who was on the fence), and then turn around and expect them to vote for you.

Other peoples' votes are ultimately their choice, and I'll call something bigotry if that's what I think it is. I'm not responsible for them continuing to be bigots. I do try to be civil about it (unlike some others) because I recognize that people will be receptive to civil dialogue, but at the end of the day I didn't decide for them to vote for Trump and I didn't decide for them to be a bigot.

Again, a mature person, when someone says "hey you're acting like a bigot" will self-examine and see if that's true, not make it all about them.

Because they ARE racist and sexist, but were told for years it's bad to talk about that - which didn't make them less racist and sexist, just bitter and biding their time.

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