[ SECRET POST #3612 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3612 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No, this show was created by two women who love ice skating and wanted to do a story about something they love. Read some of their interviews, this show wasn't created as a homolust fanservcie show to bait fujoshi, Yamamoto and Kubo did it because they love the sport.

[(Anonymous)]

Are these things mutually exclusive?

I mean, same-sex fanservice in anime isn't exactly a new thing. I personally am not complaining, but even mainstream stuff will have gaybaiting stuff in it. Maybe not canon couples, but I think you can love your story, love your characters, and still make decisions on what's going to generate the most fan engagement.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't look at the amount of ass in that series and say that there's no fanservice in it.

[(Anonymous)]

But having fanservice =/= being a fanservice show.

Look at Keijo, the point of that show is the tits and assess fanservice. Same with Free, fujobait fanservice. But then you have shows like Evangelion or Utena with lots of fanservice scenes but the fanservice is just an extra.

[(Anonymous)]

I would put YOI somewhere in the middle. There's too much fanservice for it to be incidental.
Also I don't recall that much fanservice in Utena, but it's been a while.

[soldatsasha]

Utena has a fuckton of fanservice, it's just the classic shoujo anime kind. Intense emotional bishounen with their hair fluttering in the breeze as rose petals swirl around them, erotic under- and over-tones to half the conversations in the show, blatant sex metaphors, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Utena is the rare show that is actually *about* sexuality, though. So at least some of that makes a lot of sense within the context. And it's dealt with quite seriously.
And I honestly don't rank "hair fluttering in the breeze" on the same spectrum as pantyshots and boobs flying all over the place.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you seen Yamamoto´s short animation Endless Night? It´s beautiful and it has two men skating as a couple.

Kubo and Yamamoto could have made a very serious story focusing on the struggle to get to the top, like most sports anime, but instead they chose to focus on Yuri learning and opening to love, to Victor´s love.

They love the sport, but they also love beautiful men being beautiful together (as shown in Endless Night) which is the base of yaoi since its origins.

So, two women create a gay romance story, the anime airs at 2 am in Japan, it has men butts as fanservice, who do you think is the target? Salarymen, children, housewives? No, obviously it´s fujoshi, the same people who consume all the other "problematic" yaoi. The general audience won´t be interested in YOI since the core of the plot is a canon gay romance. Even if it´s not labeled as yaoi, it works exactly as yaoi.

I honestly don´t understand why people are getting so worked up about YOI being revolutionary and representative of the LGTB community in Japan, beacause it´s not, it´s the same as the rest of the yaoi stories that don´t represent them, or help them to fight for their rights. And that´s not a bad thing, it´s just not the way they work because they are a fantasy.

Should anime represent LGTB people? Yes, it would be good to have anime created by LGTB people to tell their stories. But I honestly think dorama would work better since it reaches a larger audience. Like a normal dorama with a main het couple and also a side gay couple portrayed equally as the het couple.

[(Anonymous)]

"The general audience won´t be interested in YOI since the core of the plot is a canon gay romance."

This is blatantly false. The general audience is loving the show.

[iggy]

Yeah this is by and wide the most well reviewed show of the season, something that wouldn't be the case if only fujoshi were interested in it.