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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-11-27 03:39 pm

[ SECRET POST #3616 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3616 ⌋

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[personal profile] luxshine 2016-11-28 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
I'm answering just to you, but it's for both of you anons.

All the way up to the last episode? I was on board with forgiving Mary for not defending herself from Azazel since I KNOW that when the pilot aired Kripke had no intention of making Mary a hunter and that was an extra addition for season 4.

HOWEVER, as you point out, the writers in season 12 know that Mary was a hunter and had a thousand possible ways to explain why she hadn't defended herself from Azazael in season 1 to choose from (Fanfic most popular one is "angels erased her memory after Song Remains the Same).
The fact that they decided to add a hunting trip when Dean was 2 years old? THAT is what made me go and say, sorry, but if I take Mary's character lineally? Then she's a dumbass that deserved to get killed for doing the exact same thing that Sam does every time he "quits" (namely, hide his head in the sand and pretend that because he doesn't care about the supernatural world, the supernatural world can't hurt him)

Tl:Dr version? I get why Mary died the way she did in a Doylean perspective, that doesn't change the fact that in a Wastonian perspective she's an idiot.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-29 07:34 am (UTC)(link)
Not disagreeing with you, but I suppose I have my expectations of Supernatural adjusted or maybe lowered to no longer be surprised and disappointed that The Powers that Be ignore character traits, their mythology, the history of the show, whatever to make an episode work especially if it's a MotW. I don't blame Mary, I blame the the writers.

The best defense I can give for Mary is what someone else said where the werewolf was one that got away from Mary and probably her father so it was something she felt she needed to finish for her parents. I think that's an acceptable reason that makes her look not stupid or like a bad mother. (Doesn't make her look so great as a wife though, since she lied her ass off to John.) Anyway, her forgetting about Azazel was because her mind was messed with by angels to make it happen, like you said is best answer I suppose but we might as well say "a wizard did it."