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⌈ Secret Post #477 ⌋

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a) That's not what I meant. Good is always positive, no matter the culture the word "good" will always mean the same for everyone. If an Islamic guy tells you he thinks something is good, you can tell he likes it. You can't say the same thing of something like Mary Sue, specially since it isn't such a simple adjective.

b) Cotton hair and special eyes are a design quirk, they don't affect how she is written. How are her "skills" unbelievable? She has no skills whatsoever other than being charismatic and good with logic! You may think she is a Sue, but you're not making a valid case. The only reason she even looks flawless is thanks to Simon, they rely on each other and would be hopeless if not together.

Okay, I think we both understand that we're not going to change the other's opinion anytime soon. Frankly, it's late and I really have other things to be doing, no matter how complelling this debate is. I think she's a Sue, I gave you reasons, you disgreed with those reasons, and we've just been going around in circles without accomplishing much of anything. I understand you don't think she's a Sue, and that's fine; it's your opinion and you're entitled to have it. But what you fail to grasp is that I'm entitled to believe she is a Sue just as much as you're entitled to believe she is not. My definition of a Sue is different than yours, and because she fits my criteria does not mean she fits yours.

Although you might not think so, I thought it was an amusing and entertaining debate <3 Just a piece of friendly advice, though: don't jump to conclusions about the other debater. I recall you saying something along the lines of me automatically hating "larger than life" female characters and labeling all characters I disliked Sues. When you do things like that, it makes your side look weak and does not give a good impression, especially since you don't even know me.

Regardless, you did manage to bring up some good points. Although I still believe Nia is a Sue, I will try to use the term less loosely in the future.

You're entitled to believe yellow is orange or that 2+2 is 6, that does not make said belief correct. I don't see how Nia is a Sue and think most of your "examples" or "quotations" are for sure not strong enough to hold an argument as exemplified by how you basically ignored my previous reply that addressed them, but you're still free to keep holding to the idea that she is a Sue. Just expect people to rightfully correct, or if they're less kind perhaps even antagonize, you every time you express that "belief". :)

The reason I did not adress your points was because I thought it was clear that I was trying to close the debate, and adressing those points would just fuel the fire. I would continue, but discussing something on a secret post that's already 2 days old is ridiculous, especially when we know we're not going to change the other's mind. And as I have stated MANY TIMES BEFORE, the Mary Sue definition is not a constant term like colors or numbers, making that comparison weak.

But seriously, "The only reason she even looks flawless is thanks to Simon"? How does her appearance have anything to do with Somon? XD

Somon should by Simon in the last sentence, my bad.

I was not talking about "appearance" in there, but rather about how the only reason she is as strong-hearted and "flawless" is Simon's existence. You said it yourself, the only reason her naivety or blind trustiness never showcased negative consequences is Simon.

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