[ SECRET POST #3643 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3643 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Would you call a native Hawaiian a Native American? If someone said Native American is that what you'd think of?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, Alaska is geographically part of the American continent in a way that Hawaii is not. That's not a great argument.

[(Anonymous)]

Last I checked, Hawaii was part of the United States of America, like anon said.

My point was that the native peoples of a country, in this case the USA, are not necessarily all one unified native people or even the same races.

[(Anonymous)]

I accept the point that you're making, I'm just saying that it was a bad example, because there's a justification for calling Native Alaskans Native Americans besides the fact that they live in the United States of America which does not exist in the case of native Hawaiians

there's a distinction there between the two cases

[(Anonymous)]

If you want to pare all social and cultural meaning from the term Native American and use it to mean any native people who lived in the continental Americas then... ok? Except by that logic, the native peoples of Canada and Mexico and South America are "Native Americans". I don't know why one would do that or what kind of logical purpose that serves, though.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone from Canada... we do call our Native peoples Native Americans? At least that's how I was taught as a kid, and I don't really recall seeing the word 'Native Canadian' thrown around anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

We mostly use First Nations now, but yeah, "Native Americans" is still pretty common, because the entire fucking continent is North America, and our borders were arbitrarily applied by white people a couple hundred years ago.

"Native Canadians" has never been a thing, except in the minds of a few pretentious idiots.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Indigenous Canadians are usually described as either First Nations ("Indians"), Inuit, or Métis. Sometimes they're also collectively referred to as Aboriginal [Canadians].

I've never heard "Native Canadian", and "Native American" sounds weird to me. It's not even clear to me whether this would refer only to First Nations people or to all Indigenous people.

[iambecomebees]

They're not part of the same cultural GROUP as Native Americans. Your argument is saying that you can call them Native Americans because they're native peoples who live in a part of the American continents. And Alaska may be connected to the same landmass but it's still very isolated due to mountains and water, particularly before cars.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying they're the same. I agree they're a different culture group. But the reason that Native Alaskans are not Native Americans is a different reason from the reason that Native Hawaiians are not Native Americans, which is why it's a bad comparison, which is all that I've ever been saying.

[iambecomebees]

What is that reason? You mentioned there was a justification for calling Native Alaskans as Native Americans, and I can't think of one.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Best guess: because they're still an indigenous people of AMERICA.

[ketita]

I have been given to understand that grouping all "Native Americans" as one cultural group is mistaken as well. The differences were apparently quite big /not an expert on the subject, has a First Nations friend

[(Anonymous)]

I was gonna say the same thing. You can make some general groupings by geographical areas, such as the Plains, Pacific Northwest, Southwest, etc, but even within those groupings there were different tribes who were often at war with each other over different resources.

(Please don't ask me for more details, this is stuff I vaguely remember from history class a quarter of a century ago.)