[ SECRET POST #3645 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3645 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/J3HU6yR.png

[(Anonymous)]

Admittedly I'm not active in the fandom, but don't people just do that to identify their major traits? The Sorting Hat acknowledges that students have traits of all houses, and some are very evenly split between two- like Harry. What is wrong with saying you're/a character is/whatever "a Gryffindor with Ravenclaw leanings" etc.?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not like it's some scientific, sacrosanct thing. It's kind of nonsense to start with - pleasant nonsense, but still nonsense.

[sadiesockmonkey]

+1

Lighten up, OP. I know Potterheads love their House Pride (and I've been known to indulge from time to time) but honestly, the houses are bullshit. Kids are sorted when they're eleven, and they were the hat for such a brief time, some more briefly than others, but regardless, it's a minuscule moment of their lives.

[morieris]

it's a minuscule moment of their lives.

That kind of sets the basis for how they're treated in the Wizarding World for the rest of their lives.

Like yeah IRL it's....a joke, a game, something we just enjoy lightly (#Slytherin) but in-universe I do want to see more people call it out for the BS it is, that'd be neat.

[sadiesockmonkey]

That's...part of Jo's failings as a writer, I'd say.

In the canon, we see that Peter isn't built of the unwavering bravery that characterizes Gryffindor, but he was sorted into it. At age 11.

We see Horace Slughorn, who is heretofore unlike any of the other Slytherins Harry ever deigns to discuss. Why is he a Slytherin? Because he's a hobknobber who social climbs & rides on the coattails of his talented, famous protege.

Gilderoy Lockhart, whom Jo has apparently revealed on Pottermore as belonging to the Ravenclaw house, dspite his cunning and ambitious nature, as someone who steals the hardwork of others, passes off their accounts as his own, and Obliviates them so that no one will dare to discredit his "work". Almost like the other side of Slughorn's coin.

Basically: I agree. I wish characters in-canon would criticize the Hogwarts house system for its many flaws. Hell, I'd even settle for a short story examining the toll the ridiculous in-story House bias has on Padma & Parvati's relationship, as twin sisters in two different houses.

[(Anonymous)]

Gryffindor being about bravery doesn't seem to be supported in the text, it seems to be more about impulsiveness. A very different thing, one which can support bravery if they leap out of pure motives, but equally can be about cowardice or cruelty depending on where the impulse is borne from.

[sadiesockmonkey]

I don't disagree, but the song the Sorting Hat sings about Gryffindor touts bravery as the house's defining characteristic, and that's what it's known for in pop culture, despite the text showcasing that it's really more about impulsivity.

(Between you & me, the impulsive nature is why I dislike Gryffindor as a House.)

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe we can just agree the Hat is a lying liar who lied? Nothing else is honest in the magical world, why should it be.

[(Anonymous)]

That kind of sets the basis for how they're treated in the Wizarding World for the rest of their lives.

Not really. The adults rarely mention it.

[arcadiaego]

Don't you think it's a commentary on how kids at English boarding schools literally are sorted into the categories they will be in for life at age 11?

[morieris]

I'm American and honestly didn't think that happened. I know boarding schools exist but they don't REALLY do that over there, do they?

[arcadiaego]

Well, although there are often school houses I don't know that which *house* you are in would make much of a difference except among alumni. But the practise of sending rich kids off to Eton or Harrow at age 11 certainly *does* categorise them for life. A majority of our last government cabinet was educated at Eton because they all hired their own friends. That shuts out other 'categories' of people. Which school you went to and which *kind* of school is a big part of the class system here. There are people who seriously think Harrow is 'lesser' than Eton despite the fact that most of us could never afford to go to either if we worked for a thousand years.

I mean, it's also a cute way to get kids to buy house branded merchandise, but you're very much "sorted" for life in some ways at age 11. (Also the year you used to do the 11 plus exam which sent you off to grammar school (academic, middle class) or comprehensive (vocational and manual, working class). It's exponentially harder to do certain things if you're not in the right category from childhood.

[sadiesockmonkey]

Only just now noticing I wrote "were" where I clearly meant "wear." Oops.

[alexi_lupin]

In the absence of a real life magical mindreading hat, some people don't know for certain which House they'd be in.

[(Anonymous)]

That's where Pottermore comes in. Closest thing we have to the real deal.

[alexi_lupin]

I'm aware, but some people get inconsistent results with Pottermore. I know I have.

[(Anonymous)]

I have consistently gotten two results every time I've taken the quiz.

[(Anonymous)]

I lied in it. Then lied again and again and got all of them :| .

It is more of a commentary on boarding schools that have such houses and how it is silly that they affect their later lives due to networking amongst rich and affluential (yes, some are not such but never seen someone speak about that).

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't they largely pop up because Potter more had accounts retake the test and people changed?

Because people change during life and don't stay stagnant if they dont live in a place that emphasizes one trait

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I can't help think of the four humours personality test - it's a test to work out the makeup of one's personality by identifying traits that fall into four categories named after the four humours (old medicinal ideas from the Middle Ages about bodily fluids influencing moods).
The thing is, no person is solely any one category but is always a mix of traits across the four, likely with at least two dominating.

People calling themselves one of those cross-house combos is recognising that they are not purely one thing or another. Hermione would be a Gryffinclaw, Harry would be a Gryfferin - they still both went into Gyffindaw, but had traits that could have got them into Ravenclaw and Slytherin.

This secret makes you sound like a House purist, which sounds a lot like the whole House divide thing constantly brought up in the books, and in fic.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Oops. Gryffindaw? I did mean Gryffindor there!

badger though

[(Anonymous)]

It pisses me off more that Hufflepuff in that illustration is an American badger and not a European badger.

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like students from one house banging the other or all of them :D .

- A Slytherin with a Hufflepuff boyfriend.

PS. We wear our scarves and bicker a lot. To make it a bit better - he worked in that studio so had some spares. To make it worse - he made me a wand for Christmas.

PS. 2. My mum steals my Slytherin socks.