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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-12-27 06:59 pm

[ SECRET POST #3646 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3646 ⌋

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[Daredevil, Foggy Nelson]


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[Ash vs. Evil Dead]


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[Longmire]


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[Criminal Minds]


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philstar22: (Default)

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

[personal profile] philstar22 2016-12-28 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I thought she explicitly said both. I think she talked about the fact that there have been just as many female minister's of magic as male and Hogwarts headmistresses and stuff like that? I don't buy it either, though, and I think sexism clearly comes out in at least a few places.

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
It's a bit like the "Dumbledore is totally gay" thing: After the series is finished, you can pretend you had all kinds of background representation but that doesn't make the books any less painfully straight with everyone paired up in a nice little straight relationship with kids. Dumbledore being gay when he was just about the most sexless character in the whole series doesn't mean anything.

And like this, she can tell her readers "oh but sexism doesn't exist because there were just as many women as men in high positions" when in the book, there never actually really is (and those who are are often incompetent villainous caricatures). Same with racism. JKR can pretend like she totally imagined Hermione as not-white all she wants, it's a pretty transparent lie to grab at representation points.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

[personal profile] diet_poison 2016-12-28 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Ok I think you are reaching a little bit to be mad. She did not say she imagined Hermione as not-white, she just said she likes the black interpretation.

I agree with you that Dumbledore's sexuality, while interesting from a story perspective, doesn't really add representation. I do however think there's a good argument to be made that homophobia, racism (referring to actual race, not blood status) and sexism aren't as strong of social forces as in the Muggle world. They just aren't as important as aspects of one's status and power as a witch or wizard in determining status. That doesn't mean JKR actually wrote real representation (not a lot anyway), and it doesn't mean she wrote an amazingly beautiful perfect egalitarian society, or that she gets brownie points for not writing in, say, overt misogyny - but I do think it's true that those things manifest themselves differently in the wizarding world.

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Dumbledore being gay when he was just about the most sexless character in the whole series doesn't mean anything.

Except that LOTS of fans (even fans without "slash goggles," for example, me) picked up the subtext about him and Grindelwald in the book before JKR said he was gay...

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 03:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Idk,I think that's basically the same as saying "oh yes, I totally imagined Hermione as non-white" after lots of people already headcanoned her as black, even though there was no indication she actually thought that when she wrote it.

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I read somewhere that she told the directors of one of the early movies that Dumbledore couldn't mention a wife cause he was gay.

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Or she knows how to do subtle gay because not everyone is flaming and some people still hold candles for their first love and don't move on? That's how I always viewed it.

Re: Harry Potter and Homosexuality

(Anonymous) 2016-12-28 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really think so. She didn't include actual representation because that thought never crossed her mind. And then she pretended that the single character not paired off in a heterosexual-with-kids-relationship was totally gay all along.