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⌈ Secret Post #481 ⌋

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I see a lot of drama caused by the assumption that, if some text contains sexism, racism, etc, that text must be condemned and discarded. (It's why every discussion of pornography collapses into a discussion of censorship after about two minutes.)

Both the folks who are analysing the politics, and folks who are just there for the fun, can fall into this assumption. The former refuse to acknowledge anything the show/film/book might be doing right; the latter refuse to acknowledge anything it might be doing wrong.

Both sets of people are mistaken. It's possible to acknowledge the sexism in a TV show or whatever while also acknowledging its redeeming virtues - it doesn't have to be all or nothing, condemn or worship. For example, I quite enjoy watching old "James Bond" flicks with the husband; I just take the piss out of the misogyny while I'm doing it.

I see a lot of drama caused by the assumption that, if some text contains sexism, racism, etc, that text must be condemned and discarded.

I've seen people who think like this and it unnerves me. It's that sort of attitude that got Greek libraries burnt and lost many classics due to the fact that said classics had secular ideas.

It's possible to acknowledge the sexism in a TV show or whatever while also acknowledging its redeeming virtues

Oh, I tend to be all for discussing the elements that I really thought could have been done better (just not during the movie, hah). For example, it annoyed me quite a bit in The Forbidden Kingdom, which just came out, how the women really didn't do anything useful at all. It wasn't even done so that they could at least fight each other on even terms. The males had to come on over and finish the fight because they couldn't do it properly. My sister and I discussed this quite a lot as we walked out, but we also thought that it was an enjoyable movie, and discussed how that was a cultural element that's very prevalent in movies of that type. Bear in mind that we're both fans of cheesy martial arts movies ;D

At the same time, though, the people I'm referring to are the types that can't look through a magazine without flipping out over how sexist a vodka ad is for having a female silhouette in the background. Trustory, my Sociology 101 professor was like that way back when (so glad to be out of that class!). Drove me crazy because I was pretty convinced that they woman had forgotten how to have any fun in life. Most of the men in her class were scared stiff of speaking up, seeing how badly she bashed on her husband.

Heh. I'm kind of like your prof. Once you start noticing sexism in the media, you start noticing how it gets in absolutely everywhere, blatantly and subtly. That can be crazy-making - you start thinking, "Can I just take the *&^%*&^ bus to work without having this crap thrown at me?!"

But I think that only reinforces how important it is to acknowledge when a text does something right for a change. I don't mean we have to throw a movie a ticker parade just for not being sexist or whatever - just that we should notice. Otherwise we're just going to drown in the bad stuff.

Ahhh see I'm one of those people who tend to selectively filter it out. When I feel intellectual or like ranting about society and how it objectifies women, I'll just tear into something. Usually fashion shows or fashion magazines, since my particular peeve is anorexia and unhealthy portrayals of women's bodies. Of course, I'm speaking as a girl who has a male pin-up calendar in her room, so perhaps I'm not the best person to be talking about it. ;D

I don't think that we're ever going to find "perfect" films/books/shows, but I do believe that they can be improved lots. Just once I'd like to see a lovely lady (or possibly a cute, klutzy librarian chick who just happened to be in the right place at the right time!) save the day with the power of wit, cunning, and possibly a dash of snark without having to strip naked/seduce someone/pose sexily with a machine gun to pull it off.

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