[ SECRET POST #3654 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3654 ⌋

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Comments

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

My theory is that Moffat and Gatiss have always been sub par writers from the very beginning, but that the first two seasons were so shiny most fans didn't notice. Unfortunately, the series' popularity only fed their egos, so now they're convinced that they can do no wrong and that what people want isn't a well written plot, but more fanservicey Sherlock and John nonsense, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

Re: BBC Sherlock

[were_lemur]

Same, really.

Moffat's great for nifty twists and shiny ideas, but the character-driven stuff? (The stuff I love.) He kind of sucks at.

I've noticed with Doctor Who that he really wants his "Big Moments" but doesn't seem to put in the work to earn them. If that makes any sense to people living outside my brain.

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

I've noticed with Doctor Who that he really wants his "Big Moments" but doesn't seem to put in the work to earn them. If that makes any sense to people living outside my brain.

DA

This makes sense to me.

The thing is, I doubt it would make sense to Moffat. Which really speaks to your point, I think. He just seems like the kind of writer who has so little feeling for the natural human integrity of a story that he probably doesn't even think about earning the big moments. If he can make them happen, then that's it, that's all that's needed.

Personally, I think a good story exists on an emotional plane, an ideational/thematic plane, as well as an active/event-oriented plane, and a good writer takes on the complicated task of shaping each of those planes so that they demonstrably coexist and correspond with each other. And that is essentially how one "earns" a big moment - by making the ideas and emotions of the story work with the events of the story - so that it makes sense that things happen the way they do, and so that when something big happens, it's meaningful and impactful. Whereas I'm not sure Moffat even really thinks about that. He certainly doesn't seem to. The way he tells a story seems to be like lining up dominoes (where the dominoes are events): as long as each one connects with the next, he can orient them whatever way makes the cleverest shape.

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

That totally makes sense to me, because my biggest problem as a writer is getting ideas for "Big Moments" without either context or knowing how the characters got there.

The difference is that I'm working on fixing this.

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

So...fans were too stupid to recognize what was sub par, and now the creators are too stupid to understand that those same stupid fans really want a "well-written plot" over fanservicey nonsense?

So, basically, everyone is stupid, except, I suspect, you. That about right?

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, this is so fucking accurate I'm chuckling. And I say that as exactly one of the people you describe in your comment. Basically, I fell in love with the first episode, gave the next five episodes the benefit of the doubt because I felt the first episode was so nifty...

...and then S3 happened, and it was - to quote some article I read ages ago - as if the show had disappeared up its own arse. S3 was, in fact, so very bad that it actually made me reevaluate some of the better parts of seasons 1 and 2. Which is when I realized that many of the things that seemed really good about those early episodes were actually - when not giving Moffat and Gatiss the benefit of the doubt - just more empty "clever" bullshit.

Re: BBC Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

It's only with the premiere of S4 that I came to realize that I somehow still designate Sherlock as a "good" series even though I only liked 2 episodes from S1, was meh about most of S2, and didn't even watch any of S3 :\