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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-01-10 06:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #3660 ]


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(Anonymous) 2017-01-10 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? How is it nonsensical? No-maj=No Magic. Compare that to muggle which doesn't seem to have evolved from anything.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-10 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"Muggle" evolves from "mug", so it's much more negative than "no-maj".

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
It evolved from a word for face? Or...a type of cup?

Also, that makes it even worse for muggle to be accepted if it is somehow a slur.

Americans, doing shit better than the Brits even in the world of magic!
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2017-01-11 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Mug:

British informal
a stupid or gullible person.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt, but (1) thank you for the explanation, because I was as confused as ayrt above, and (2) excellent icon choice. :)
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2017-01-11 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
Tedd is all-purpose useful.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
DA

OHHHHHH

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea if "No-maj" is used as a slur or not, but I always found muggle kind of condescending. Not a slur, but definitely patronising.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
Americans, assuming without checking that they are right and being completely wrong. Surprise.
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[personal profile] kamino_neko 2017-01-11 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
How is it nonsensical? No-maj=No Magic

That construction is why it's nonsensical. Nobody talked like that in English in the 15th century. That sort of construction is very 20th Century American Military.

'Muggle''s an odd word, but I can get to it from a plain descriptive word with a pretty simple chain - Magicless -> Magi'less -> Magless -> Məgless -> Mugless -> Muggles -> Muggle. A bit of lazy pronunciation, some loose spelling, and a backformation, and we're there. You could get there from the same start point with different chains, too, of course.

I have no idea if Rowling's ever thought about the etymology (probably not), but it's actually surprisingly easy to come up with a reasonable one.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
Why do you think No-Maj has existed since the 15th century? Could it not be a newer slang term for magicless people?

And yeah...muggle is still super nonsensical compared to "Smoosh two words together."

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, the term no-maj would predate the term "screaming mimis" by a few years. While it's not my favorite term, I could see it.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 03:05 am (UTC)(link)
Screaming mimis should have been some kind of North American magical creatures.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
Ayrt

I wouldn't be surprised if it managed to make its way into the book as the name of a creature that no maj's took to use the effect that the creature's presence provoked. They had heard it everywhere when there was a population boom of meemies around 1940-1944.

(Anonymous) 2017-01-11 03:24 am (UTC)(link)
But why are you assuming slang is logical and really obvious in its derivations?