fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #485 ]

⌈ Secret Post #485 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 15 pages, 366 secrets from Secret Submission Post #070.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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Oh, please.

First, my major problem was not what was actually in the secret, but in the first anon's response of "Get over it." I had previously mentioned that I knew nothing about him. If it was really out of context, the first anon certainly made no mention of that and accepted the premise that this is what John Barrowman did.

And as I said to the other anon, you can't expect someone to go through a crash course in a fandom just to respond to something that they had know way of foreseeing was possibly out of context.

This is such a self defeating circle.

A person cannot argue in Latin if they don't know how to speak the language - what I'm saying in my original post would be clear to someone who either watched Doctor Who, Torchwood, or anything John Barrowman had been in.

Its just hypocritical - one doesn't argue politics or certainly a touchy subject in which you imply I don't care about rape victims (which by the way was a very nasty thing to say, thanks and immature) and not look up the whole thing first. That's just... well, stupid.

If you insist. As I've repeated multiple times, the major issue for me was not John Barrowman and that quote itself but the statement that we should just "get over it" (in which, by the way, you accepted the premise of the secret and didn't bother to correct it).

Then honestly, why are you still arguing it?

The fact of the matter is, that that's not the point. The fact of the matter is, after I explained that you what I can only describe as 'tried to dig yourself out' which you haven't done very well, tbh. And we've both agreed that the full quote is very much different from the secret poster has implied, therefore rendering your earlier statement, well, irrelevant.

Let me try to explain this one last time in a way that will hopefully, finally, be understood.

This discussion has never, at least form me, been about whether or not John Barrowman actually did what the OP of the secret said. I said that two or three comments into the thread above this one. The issue has been if someone had done exactly what the secret OP is upset by. And, for the record, no one needs to have in-depth knowledge of the fandom to discuss that.

Your original reply, the very first comment, simply said "Get over it. He's not doing it to you." You did not, for someone who is so insistent that John Barrowman Would Not Do That And It's All Out of Context, mention in the original comment that that's not really what he did, the quote is out of context, etc. By not doing so, you accepted the premise of the secret. You cannot seriously expect everyone to know that "Get over it. He's not doing it to you" actually means "That is not what John Barrowman does, he actually jokes around with his castmates and they're fine with it, and since it doesn't bother them you shouldn't worry yourself about it."

To anyone else -- certainly myself and a number of other people who have commented -- because you accepted the premise of the secret without mentioning anything else, it appeared as though you were saying "Get over it" to the fact that someone makes unwanted sexual contact with other people. It may not be what you meant, but that is how your original reply was worded. Do you understand why people would be upset at that?

*sighs* And let me explain why your comment irritated me in the first place. Firstly you jumped in with the assumption of that was what I meant, the response was to the OP not you, after explaining in my second comment that I was talking about John Barrowman, and not who ever had forced themselves upon the unfortunate poster. You continued to argue that the behaviour was unacceptable, which of course it is, but even after pointing out that your original assumption was wrong, you did actually turn it into a personal attack which I didn't really appreciate.

The fact of the matter is the quote is taken out of context, my reply is like the poster itself - I'm assuming the poster has read the autobiography or if not knows the rest of that quote, it's not directed at you. But as you can see, when quotes or sentences are taken out of context people tend to get the wrong opinion.

Hence forth proving my point, I'm going to assume the OP knows what I'm talking about, which is my main point. By jumping in and defending the OP-er I was also assuming you knew what you were talking about which is why the comment about JB how should I say, sexually harassing anyone confused me, until I realized you didn't actually know anything the subject matter at all. When that became apparent there really wasn't much point in arguing after that - the comment is directed at the OP whom I assume knows what I am talking about.

Is what I meant, but seeing as how the original OP decided not to explain the whole premise of the truth anyway I don't see why should either. I'm sorry you got the wrong end of the stick, but the fact still remains I think this is an unfair quote and misleading.

Is what I meant, but seeing as how the original OP decided not to explain the whole premise of the truth anyway I don't see why should either.

If someone took something out of context and I knew it, I would correct that, I wouldn't accept the premise of the out-of-context quote. At the very least, if you don't correct it in your response, you can't get upset when people take your response at its face.

In any case, I think we were having two separate arguments, and so it's probably best if we just realize that and let it go.

Well unfortunately under these circumstances I didn't see why the OP-er should benefit from that, I wasn't upset with the face value response, it was simply the after I had explained I was really talking about the OP response to JB we continue to argue over it. I am arguing that I think the quote is misleading - which is why I was angry about it, nothing more.

I most certainly wouldn't endorse this behaviour outright, but the OP clearly gave YOU the impression that the actor was sexually harassing people.

Unfortunately I answer a OP with a like answer, which in hindsight had I not been so irritated by it I probably wouldn't have done. In all honesty I respect where you're coming from, but I still disagree with this secret for it's wording.

I do watch Doctor Who :) and I still don't agree with you.

FYI.

And that's absolutely fine ~ really, it is. xD

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