[ SECRET POST #3678 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3678 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

saying "this character could be canonically bisexual, you cannot deny it" is just as hard a claim as saying they're straight.

That's not true. One argument is "this character could be bi" and the other is "this character is definitely straight". The second one demands more evidence than the first.

I realize there are people here who are probably arguing against some post they saw on Tumblr claiming this character is definitely gay, but no one has said that here. All people here are arguing for is the possibility that he could maybe be attracted to guys and that there's no definitive evidence against that.

[(Anonymous)]

They are saying that, if they are demanding hard evidence that a character is straight and definitely in no way possibly ever gay, in order to believe a character is straight, though. Which is what the original anon I responded to said.

How would evidence of "would never be attracted to men" be possibly ever given, if we can't even take a character's word for it because they might be fucking men while drunk?

I'm not even arguing about sexuality here so much as the impossible setup this argument is creating.

[sarillia]

I think some of the people you're arguing against have different standards. If a character flat-out says they're straight, I consider them being straight canon (though personally I'll still entertain speculation from people who want to read them as bi or gay; the gay storyline of my own life came out of nowhere, after all).

I didn't see anyone saying that a definitive statement from the character about their sexuality isn't evidence, but maybe I missed something.

[(Anonymous)]

"In real life, we know there's a sizable portion of people who are more fluid than even they anticipated. I mean, hell, I knew a guy who used to say he was straight and "he could appreciate other guys being attractive but had zero sexual interest in them".. and turns out, he gets drunk and fucks guys."

"As for the anecdote - which is really not only an anecdote, as a statistically significant portion of humans have had same-sex experiences despite generally or previously considering themselves straight - the point is that even someone saying they are straight doesn't not absolutely prove they are straight."

[digitalghosts]

Not familiar with this show but ... anons have a point.

Up until recently, it was risky to be out and a lot people were in the closet; add internal phobias, sexism and so on.

I know few strictly gay dudes who kept on the macho act so long - someone speaking about boobs and curves every 5 minutes is now very gay to me.

Serious response - I consider all characters bi and up to any fandom author to define unless they state they are straight or gay (without sounding compromised but that is me as I grown up in a shitty place).

[sarillia]

Oh okay, I saw that argument now. I disagree with that.

[(Anonymous)]

And this character could be a Christian wolf otherkin, but if it doesn't appeared in the original source material, he's not. The text is everything.

[sarillia]

I just don't know why people are so invested in saying he's definitely straight while at the same time rolling their eyes or laughing at people who are equally invested in saying he might not be.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I'm the one arguing against the framing of the argument - I don't care whether the character is straight or not.

[sarillia]

Then you're not one of the ones who is baffling me and we're cool. :)

[(Anonymous)]

Because this doubting everything and everyone thing is ridiculous.