case: ([ Kyouya; Eh? ])
Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-05-06 05:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #487 ]


⌈ Secret Post #487 ⌋

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[identity profile] weaselistic.livejournal.com 2008-05-07 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
But he turned out not to be te hero, but a villain. Hiro turned out to be the Kensei that the legend was about.
Every good the white guy did was because the Japanese guy made him do it.

There are two opposite ways of interpreting this storyline. I see a message of "Japanese > white guy" in this, you see "white guy > Japanese" in it. I don't know for certain which interpretation the writers aimed at.
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[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-05-07 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
But he turned out not to be the hero, but a villain. Hiro turned out to be the Kensei that the legend was about. Every good the white guy did was because the Japanese guy made him do it.

And nobody could tell the difference?

SRSLY?

Idk, by the time we got to that point I was so pissed off I was pretty much just watching Nathan, hoping they wouldn't fuck him over as much as everyone else (they did, of course, but at least with something he could recover from more than character degeneration).

I don't know for certain which interpretation the writers aimed at.

No idea, and not sure it matters since they never hit what they aim at anyway. But it was annoying as all hell. I basically lost my lunch when the Obligatory Cherry Blossoms turned up. Because Japanese people falling in love always makes cherry trees spit up all over them, right? If I were less sensitive to the cultural history and the abuse of tropes it might not have pissed me off so much, but you gotta understand, I read Japanese court diaries (in translation, because I'm not that amazing--manga I can do in original Japanese, 16th c prose not so much) FOR FUN.

Actually that was the problem with a lot of s2. They wanted a more multicultural flavour and their method of trying to achieve this was to throw shopworn stereotypes at us: obligatory cherry blossoms, bad telenovela plots. The way to include moar foreign culture is not to take the most overused cultural tropes of a people's own fiction and then put each and every one of them onto whatever character gets to represent that culture in your story. That's like Barbie Dolls of the World. I remember travelling in my early teens and realising to my great shock that nobody looks like that.
Edited 2008-05-07 00:33 (UTC)

[identity profile] weaselistic.livejournal.com 2008-05-07 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
American television getting details wrong on foreign cultures: normal. Not worth the outrage in specific cases, really. I can't remember an instance where my country is portrayed properly at all. *shrugs*


And chances are that with his mask on and nobody probably getting that close a look at ensei to begin with, in battles, I'd say it's safe to assume that most people really would not notice the difference. How many people even saw both Kenseis, and had time amd reason to think about it?
I guess Yaeko should have noticed, but it's still noting but a common, harmless fantasy/adventure/comedy trope, and when you think it means "Japanese people are dumb", you are reading FAR to much into it.