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⌈ Secret Post #487 ⌋

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What bothers me is people blaming characters for poor storytelling. Even if you say the series would've been better if Maya was never in it to begin with, the fact that she's in there is because a decision was made to write her in that story. That's not to say if she was written better and more easily likable Vol. 2 would've been miles better.

I'm not sure quite what you mean by this. A character is what we know about them from canon. Anything else is projection. There's nothing wrong with projection--we all project ourselves into fiction--but it's not the fault of the fans if the writers didn't give us enough to love. I don't see a lot of fan love for West either, but because he's a white boy you can hate him without people questioning that you must have motives other than that he's a badly-written character.

(What is Mysterious Ways about? All I know is that Declan dresses like Adrian on his crazy days and that it was on PAX, which makes me wonder how much they paid him to keep his clothes on--I've never seen anything with Adrian in it where he didn't strip at LEAST half naked.)

I'm much too wordy for my own good.

What I'm trying to say is that characters are a product of writing, so you can't blame a poorly written character for screwing up the story, which was what I was arguing in my original comment. A number of fans blamed the new characters in general for mucking up Vol. 2, not just Maya. Maybe their inclusion in the plot was the or part of the reason, but characters don't magically poof into a story. They have to be written into that story first.

I think our problem is that we were arguing over two different things. You were making a case whether or not Maya deserves the hate she gets, while I was making a case whether or not Maya is to blame in any part for Vol. 2's failure. Since both our points involved Maya in some way so it seemed like we were debating over the same issue.

(It's been ages since I watched Mysterious Ways, but the gist of it was that Declan was investigating so-called miraculous occurrences and trying to debunk the mystery using science and logic. It had a pretty spiritual tone to it, so the commonality of naked!Adrian amuses me greatly since Declan was my first exposure to Adrian's work. XD)

No, I don't think that Maya is the reason S2 sucked. She's a symptom, not the cause.

(...I hope spiritual doesn't mean explicitly or heavily implicitly Christian, because I'm not Christian and I don't like to be preached to about it, but I really do want to like stuff that Adrian's in. Adrian only strips to the waist in Heroes but he spends large portions of Profit and several movies starkers. Mind you this is not a complaint...)

You made me rethink how I like her character, though. I think I like her too much for what she could've been instead of what we've been canonly given. Which... ouch, I am so blind.

(No, not in that sense. Just that it suggests there's something bigger than us out there, and we can't always understand how everything works. That spiritual undertone was what drew my family to the show, but it didn't try to preach any religion on you. There are supposedly torrents floating someplace for MW, but I haven't come across them yet. It was a good show, if not short-lived. Ha, naked Adrian is never something to complain about. I should delve more into his filmography, hmmm...)

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