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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-05-06 05:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #487 ]


⌈ Secret Post #487 ⌋

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Re: 08

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-05-08 07:23 am (UTC)(link)
Of course I don't ask of you not to reflect on the shows you watch, and not be critical of them. But I personally don't watch the shows that I think are truly offensive or stupid, so I'm not sure why you could still stick with Heroes if it has disappointed you so much.

Obviously she still cares. It's very rude to say, "why do you even watch this show if you hate it so?" Obviously she doesn't hate it. She hates what they're doing now, which is not the same thing, but it still has a chance to redeem itself.

Unlike you, she likes the Petrellis a lot. That's why I still watch it, too. I have said before and I will say again that the day they actually kill Nathan is the day I stop watching this show.

The thing about Heroes is that it isn't just one show, it's several shows, because it has multiple story arcs, so you can totally love one or two of them and get so disgusted with some of the others that you find yourself hard-pressed not to take your bathroom breaks during them, except that you know you're going to hate it if you miss something plotty. And that is how we felt about Maya and Alejandro, man.

(I can talk like this about littlewings04. She's my best friend and we're on the phone every day, so I know where she's coming from.)

But I also think you're wrong.

I don't think Hiro started out very "stereotypical". He started out reminding me of guys I knew in Japan. Real human beings, not a collection of manga-type problems. I went to Comiket with a friend who was just like Hiro and every time I saw Hiro on screen I wanted to find Kenji's email address and ask him how he was doing even though I don't think we've talked since I last left Japan.

Nathan is not a cardboard, stereotypical character. He's not a corrupt politician, he used to be the crusading DA and now he has to choose between his ambitions and his morals, and he has family problems, and...I love Nathan Petrelli like burning so I better shut up now. (The Mafia thing, that was a problem for me at first, Italians doesn't equal mafiosi dammit--but then it turned out to be Linderman, not Don Corleone.)

The black ex-con, that one I'll give you. I ALWAYS had problems with that, just like I have problems with the fact that Foreman, a black doctor, had to be given a ghetto criminal past and had to take crap about it from House. And you know what? DL didn't get much development and I never liked him a lot.

Now, Hiro in s2, part of the reason I was so mad about that is that he DIDN'T start out as a stereotype, and yet in s2 he became one. This also happened to a lot of other characters in s2.

Personally I think you love Maya for what you see as potential in her. There's nothing wrong with you feeling that way. People have become fans of characters who are nothing more than a throwaway name in a book. A character which is not developed is a great screen to project your stuff on to. But probably most of what you love about Maya is what YOU put on to her from inside your own head. And you believe in it so hard that you have the gall to tell my best friend she doesn't understand Maya as a Latina five minutes after you admit in a previous comment that you're from another part of the world and you don't have these ethnic conflicts where you live, even though my best friend is an ACTUAL Latina.

(NB: If you are from somewhere else, listen to what people who are actually from here have to say about things that are supposed to be happening here. If I saw a show about your country I wouldn't tell you you don't understand or interpret your own culture correctly. That's common courtesy.)
Edited 2008-05-08 07:27 (UTC)