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⌈ Secret Post #3681 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I've never understood people that say that they can't relate to a character unless they have x feature in common. That's what got us UN-diversity in the first place, out of the (mistaken) belief that an audience that's majority white and straight couldn't relate to anything but those things. Just add PEOPLE, as they are, with the same bits they have in reality, and the audience will be able to relate to whoever.

[sparrow_lately]

I've never understood people that say that they can't relate to a character unless they have x feature in common.

That's...not really why people ask for representation.

[(Anonymous)]

You'd be surprised.

[thewakokid]

After reading this thread, I can see that that's certainly not the case for everyone asking for representation, and I can agree that for those people representation does matter. But no, there are a fair number of people pushing for representation because they want someone like them to relate to.

I agree it's a valid argument, but some of the folks on both side are muddying this issue quite badly.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I can relate to them.

It'd just be nice to see myself up there instead of always being fap fodder for straight men.

[sabotabby]

I don't think people say that, though.

The majority of protagonists are white and straight. Those who are also white and straight learn to relate and empathize with those characters. Those who are not white and straight also learn to relate and empathize with those characters.

Accordingly, most people of any colour and orientation have learned to empathize with straight white men really well. They have a much harder time empathizing with people outside of that description. Witness, for example, the plethora of experiments with little black girls choosing white over black dolls because they're "prettier," or the phenomenon of whites, particularly cops, avoiding criminal prosecution because they claim that a black victim was "threatening."

If the people in media were people as they were in reality, all of us would learn to relate to all kinds of people. But because media is not diverse, we relate to some sorts of people and not others. That's why representation is important, not because I might wish to see someone who shares x feature with me on telly.

[(Anonymous)]

You may not think it, but people actually say just that.

[sabotabby]

It may very well be true for other people. I wouldn't say it's the most compelling argument, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I find the tests about the dolls to be rather flawed, because it's related to colors rather than races. On lighter dolls, features are clearer and such. They need to provide more realistic dolls that show more realistic features before declaring it an issue of race.

Do you have figures for that "majority"? With world media being what it is, wouldn't most protagonists be Asian?

What I'm saying overall is that the idea of being able to relate to a character only if they have something in common, especially something that doesn't play into the actual character, is what gives us un-diverse media to begin with. Show diversity because that's how the world is, not out of a mistaken idea that people are so shallow.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

All the current representation stuff right now is a "me, me, me" kind of thing and it's weird as hell.

Does media need more diversity? YES! But done so as to have all kind of different people in all kind of roles.

We don't need more token *insert label* and we don't need only "the right kind of representation" (whatever that "right kind" is) that some people want.