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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-05-07 05:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #488 ]


⌈ Secret Post #488 ⌋

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Re: 28

[identity profile] haro.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
It's funny until she starts talking about settling down together!

But they're already together! It's the idea of settling down he dislikes because he has always disliked that. It has nothing to do with Rose herself, because that factor is what wouldn't be changing. If he had a problem with the "Rose" part of "settling down with Rose," why would he be traversing time and space with her?

Mind you, even though he tells her he won't leave her, what does he do in Doomsday? Sends her off, without so much as a by-your-leave, to be with her family in the other universe. (He doesn't seem best pleased when she insists on coming back, either.)

He sent her away for her own safety. He's not pleased to see her return because he cares more about her safety than anything else. He didn't send her away because he doesn't want to be with her anymore. He sent her away because he doesn't want her to die.

And once they figure out their plan, he is happy. It's part of what makes it so heartbreaking. He's happy she made the decision to stay with him. When she was pulled away he was positively devastated, as is evident there and throughout the entirety of series three. It's even worse than if he'd sent her away, because when she came back, he started to hope, I think.



Is that an actual RTD quote? He certainly sees their relationship as very close and romantic, but exactly what that means for the characters is still up in the air. Given what he tells Rose in SR - that he couldn't bear to watch someone he loved age and die - it seems very unlikely they'll end up together forever.


It is an actual RTD quote (Doomsday confidential, I think?).

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think that Rose is going to come back at the end of this season and she and the Doctor are going to get an ever after. It would be nice, sure. However, it doesn't fit the setup of the series at all. I imagine that either they'll be forced apart again or Rose will be so needed in her world she'll have to choose to go back and leave the Doctor. Fans can dream and write fic, but a happy ending is very unlikely.
Edited 2008-05-08 02:23 (UTC)

Re: 28

[identity profile] kateorman.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I reckon you should fish out the DVD and have another look at that scene in TIP! But having said that, I think we fundamentally agree on what the show is telling us: the relationship is romantic, but the Doctor and Rose won't remain together permanently. (In terms of our culture's stereotype of romance, het-exclusive-permanent, this is a paradox, which must cause some of the sturm und drang in fandom.)

Re: 28

[identity profile] haro.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I just did and I still feel the same. But yeah, together forever, we do agree, is extremely unlikely. If this were a show that just lasted a few seasons, sure. But not with DW's set up.